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Zurich
HOTELS
-The Park Hyatt is fantastic and a 10 minute walk to shul.
Tram stop: Stockerstrasse

RESTAURANTS

Meat:

Olive Garden - Located inside he JCC
Tram stop: Bahnhof Enge


Milk/Parve:

Fein und Schein - cafe type of place; ambience lacking, but hey, food is food

Bagels and Co.  (Bederstrasse corner Klopstockstrasse 8002 Zürich) Tram Stop "Waffenplatzstrasse"

Books & Bagels - combination bagel shop and judaica store

Bakery:
Ma'Adan Bakery. Has delicious pastries and also sells sandwiches, salads, and some sushi.

Butcher:
Kol Tuv. Can preorder for pickup.
Can also deliver throughout Switzerland by post.
See website for details.

https://www.koltuv.ch/en

ATTRACTIONS
-Walk around the lake area
-Bahnhofstrasse window shopping
-Take a train to Lucerne and buy the golden ticket, included a boat ride on Lake Lucerne, cogwheel train and tram. Then take bus back to Lucerne
-When you arrive in Lucerne you can go to the tourist office to see a live view from Mount Pilatus (Or you can check online). If it's cloudy skip the cogwheel train and just take a nice boatride and explore the town, ancient bridges, and walk on top of the old city fortress walls.




Options in the Alps

Arosa: Metropol Hotel - quaint little old hotel. Not very fancy - it's like honeymooning in your grandmother's house (HT: Mrs. Moishebatchy). The food is very basic, but delicious. Mikva on premises. If skiing is your thing, the have an agreement with one of the ski places (Härtner) not to charge Metropol customers for ski rentals over Shabbos.


Need a meal on shabbes, please PM me (Chuchem). I live 15 minute walk from the hyatt, close to chabad. Zürich has no eiruv!

Major Attractions
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Central Switzerland
-Lucerne, Pilatus Offers: Cogwheel, Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mini Zip-line and fun area
-Titlis Offers: Gondolas, Snow Tubing, Trutti Bikes, Ice Museum, Row Boating
-Brunni Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Stroll in Lake(!)

Jungfrau Region
-Jungfrau/jungfraujoch Click here for the Kosher hotel in Wengen / 360-degree panorama of Jungfraujoch-Top of Europe
-Grindelwald Offers: Gondolas, mega Zip-line, Trutti Bikes

Eastern Switzerland
-St. Moritz
Davos / Klosters
Arosa Click here for the Kosher Levins hotel

Southern Switzerland
-Zermatt - "Matterhorn"
-Saas-Fee Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mega Zip-line, Trotti Bikes, (Saas-Grund has Monster Trotteres) and on top of "Allalin" you can go Snow Tubing and Skiing even in the summer!
-Crans Montana You can email the Kosher hotel in Crans Montana Hotelmk@gmail.com  or call them at 0032485640498 or 003233011600


HalbTax Pass

A HalbTax pass (or Half Fare card) is a card designated for tourists and not for Swiss residents (officially...). The card gives you half price on all public transportation like buses, trains, trams, boats and also on "most" cable cars (attractions). There are basically 4 kinds.

1) An annual pass, the price is currently 175 francs. If i remember correctly it has a photo ID of the recipient, so double check before sharing it.
Click here for the annual pass

2) A 30 day pass, the price is currently 120 francs, it does not have a photo ID on it.
Click here or here for the 30 day pass

3) - Recommended for frequent traveling Swiss Travel Pass - you prepay a set amount per day and get unlimited for that day (plus "optional" for a fee, for 1 month including the days you chose, it is a HalbTax, even on the prepaid free days, it's only free for all transportation, on cable cars you only get half off). The price per day depends on how many days you prepay, for example if you prepay 8 days, the price per day will be about 53 francs, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 73 francs. If you are 25 y/o or younger, you can get the Youth Pass which is cheaper - If you prepay 8 days  the price per day will be about 40 francs a day, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 62 francs.
Click here (or here) for the prepaid pass

The card comes with a few days “you could chose your dates later”, officially when you want to use a certain day for the free day you should fill in on the pass that date, and when the first conductor comes he punches that day, but technically you can leave the date blank until the conductor comes, that way you have a chance if no conductor asks you for your card (happens quite often) you can save it for the next day :)

4) Swiss Transfer Ticket" This card costs 141 francs and is valid for 2 trips from and to the boarder or airport, for example you are traveling from the airport to Arosa and are not planning to go anywhere else or take any other transportation, with this card you will effectively pay 71 francs per way. This card is only valid for trips to and from the airport or boarder and no (long) stops allowed. Technically if you will travel one more day, the Swiss travel pass mentioned above will probably be cheaper.

Make sure to order your pass a few weeks before leaving, it takes about 1-3 weeks for the pass to arrive. But you can always buy it in the Airport, though you might have to wait in line and also if you want to buy the Youth pass (for 25 y/o or younger) they might ask you for proof...

There is also a family pass if you travel with a large family, I am not familiar with that.


Fast Baggage
There is a service via SBB, They deliver your luggage for you!! For example you are traveling from ZRH to Arosa, you don't want to be busy Shlepping around your luggage, You can check in your luggage in the airport and they (SBB) will deliver it to the train station in Arosa. This service is available "from and to" most train stations in Switzerland. You can ask about the Fast Baggage by any train station or read here or here

You can even buy a tag that you put on the luggage before checking in your luggage in any airport (i.e. JFK) and Rail Europe will take your luggage from the airplane in Switzerland and deliver it either to your hotel or to the train station in the city you're going to.  Read about Flight Luggage Here




PS. When doing research and getting to a website in German, just add /en (after .ch) to translate to English.
And Hey, Don't forget to write a TR ;)

Sample Itinerary for 9 hour stopover on Swiss flight from TLV to U.S. that lands at 810 and takes off around 5
Copied from @cholent:
Here it is: landed in zrh, crazy line for entering country but moved pretty quickly, about half an hour. Picked up sim in the airport. Rented car through Priceline from europecar. Drove to Titlis, stunning scenery along drive. Missed a turnoff because I couldn't get Waze to talk and I was trying to do some stuff online while we were driving, added half an hour to get there, but the stunning scenery made it worthwhile. Got there, parked, you pay at the entrance if you're going to park for more than an hour. Paid, took the cable car. Got off at there halfway station by mistake, gorgeous lake. Went back on and back up to the top. It was somewhat cloudy which was a pity. Suspension bridge was fun but no view because of the clouds. Took the ice flyer to the other peak, then went sledding down the hill, lots of fun. No tubing because there wasn't enough snow. We didn't have enough time for the ice cave because of the extra time driving there and we weren't sure where it was anyway. Made some new Israeli friends and took the cable car down with them. Got back to the airport, returning the car took less than five minutes, getting through the airport took a little longer so we didn't have time for showers at the lounge. It was amazing all around, I would definitely recommend

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2500 on: July 05, 2022, 02:35:58 AM »
Does it make sense to go to italy/switzerland for 2 weeks without a car and relying just on trains and busses? How would that compare in price to a car rental?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2501 on: July 05, 2022, 03:45:45 AM »
Does it make sense to go to italy/switzerland for 2 weeks without a car and relying just on trains and busses? How would that compare in price to a car rental?
Many people tour Europe that way. There are passes that cover many routes. Get a quote for a car, figure out your gas costs and then you'll be able to compare.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2502 on: July 05, 2022, 06:55:41 AM »
Many people tour Europe that way. There are passes that cover many routes. Get a quote for a car, figure out your gas costs and then you'll be able to compare.
I know what that costs but the train passes in switzerland seem very expensive unless i'm looking for the wrong passes. What pass covers italy and switzerland?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2503 on: July 05, 2022, 11:00:05 AM »
I know what that costs but the train passes in switzerland seem very expensive unless i'm looking for the wrong passes. What pass covers italy and switzerland?
Car will likely cost you much more. Depending how much traveling your doing, look into half fare passes and unlimited travel passes. Kids under 6 are free and under 12 are half price (free when traveling with an adult with travel passes).

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2504 on: July 05, 2022, 12:59:57 PM »
Car will likely cost you much more. Depending how much traveling your doing, look into half fare passes and unlimited travel passes. Kids under 6 are free and under 12 are half price (free when traveling with an adult with travel passes).
Cars in italy are not too bad. Also i'm traveling with 5 adults so a unlimited train pass is about 1400 euro for the duration of the trip while a car rental is about 850 + gas

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2505 on: July 05, 2022, 01:08:48 PM »
Cars in italy are not too bad. Also i'm traveling with 5 adults so a unlimited train pass is about 1400 euro for the duration of the trip while a car rental is about 850 + gas
You don't want an unlimited pass. Rail passes have many restrictions and need to be booked way out in advance.
You best option would be to plan your days and buy individual tickets in advance.
Be sure to only buy Italian train tickets from https://www.trenitalia.com/en.html and Swiss tickets from SBB.ch/en . There are many other sites out there that are third party. Don't use them. For busses you can book on flixbus.com or https://www.blablacar.co.uk/bus

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2506 on: July 05, 2022, 04:22:58 PM »
Cars in italy are not too bad. Also i'm traveling with 5 adults so a unlimited train pass is about 1400 euro for the duration of the trip while a car rental is about 850 + gas
Where are you getting an automatic car that fits 5 adults+luggage for 2 weeks at 850?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2507 on: July 05, 2022, 04:23:27 PM »
What kosher breakfast/brunch still around?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2508 on: July 06, 2022, 02:44:17 AM »
Where are you getting an automatic car that fits 5 adults+luggage for 2 weeks at 850?
With National booking a manual and using EE to get a automatic.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2509 on: July 06, 2022, 07:18:30 AM »


Just some updates for those interested.

*absolutely no one checking anything at customs when I went through the nothing to declare line. Was able to bring enough milk and cold cuts for the day.

Still true as of today

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2510 on: July 06, 2022, 07:56:36 AM »
Anyone know if there is any store / restaurant in Zurich or St Moritz that can make packaged catered food that can be kept in the fridge and heated up in a hotel?
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2511 on: July 06, 2022, 08:24:28 AM »
Also, is it easy to find disposable pan grills in the average gas station / store?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2512 on: July 06, 2022, 09:16:31 AM »
You don't want an unlimited pass. Rail passes have many restrictions and need to be booked way out in advance.
You best option would be to plan your days and buy individual tickets in advance.
Be sure to only buy Italian train tickets from https://www.trenitalia.com/en.html and Swiss tickets from SBB.ch/en . There are many other sites out there that are third party. Don't use them. For busses you can book on flixbus.com or https://www.blablacar.co.uk/bus
Are these sites cheaper than third party sites?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2513 on: July 06, 2022, 09:23:51 AM »
Anyone nice hotel recommendations in st moritz or davos?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2514 on: July 06, 2022, 04:31:33 PM »
Are these sites cheaper than third party sites?
Yes!

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2515 on: July 06, 2022, 04:36:02 PM »
With National booking a manual and using EE to get a automatic.
What makes you think you won't get the car you reserved?

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« Reply #2516 on: July 09, 2022, 03:29:40 PM »


You don't want an unlimited pass. Rail passes have many restrictions and need to be booked way out in advance.
You best option would be to plan your days and buy individual tickets in advance.
Be sure to only buy Italian train tickets from https://www.trenitalia.com/en.html and Swiss tickets from SBB.ch/en . There are many other sites out there that are third party. Don't use them. For busses you can book on flixbus.com or https://www.blablacar.co.uk/bus

FYI in Italy there is a other train company called Italo that has much better rates many times and equally good product, it's always worth comparing. https://www.italotreno.it/en
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2517 on: July 11, 2022, 11:31:55 AM »
For next week. Where in the swiss Alps region do i have kosher food ?
Are any of the Kosher hotels open already?

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« Reply #2518 on: July 11, 2022, 09:16:15 PM »
For next week. Where in the swiss Alps region do i have kosher food ?
Are any of the Kosher hotels open already?
Davos. Or buy in ZRH, there is also a person who has a takeout in ZRH and ships nationwide via train. PM me for contact

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2519 on: July 12, 2022, 12:10:48 AM »
For next week. Where in the swiss Alps region do i have kosher food ?
Are any of the Kosher hotels open already?
Kempniski in St Moritz is open.
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