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Zurich
HOTELS
-The Park Hyatt is fantastic and a 10 minute walk to shul.
Tram stop: Stockerstrasse

RESTAURANTS

Meat:

Florentin - Located inside he JCC https://florentin.rest/
Tram stop: Bahnhof Enge

Grill Cave

Food truck. Check website for opening hours. Burgers, sandwiches, hot dogs etc.
https://www.thegrillcave.co/


Milk/Parve:

Babi's Bagels (Bederstrasse corner Klopstockstrasse 8002 Zürich) Tram Stop "Waffenplatzstrasse"

Bakery:
Ma'Adan Bakery
Manessestrasse/Schimmelstrasse
Has delicious pastries and also sells sandwiches, salads, and some sushi.

Butcher:
Metzgerei Kol Tuv

Can preorder for pickup.
Can also deliver throughout Switzerland by post.
See website for details.

https://www.koltuv.ch/en

ATTRACTIONS
-Walk around the lake area
-Bahnhofstrasse window shopping
-Take a train to Lucerne and buy the golden ticket, included a boat ride on Lake Lucerne, cogwheel train and tram. Then take bus back to Lucerne
-When you arrive in Lucerne you can go to the tourist office to see a live view from Mount Pilatus (Or you can check online). If it's cloudy skip the cogwheel train and just take a nice boatride and explore the town, ancient bridges, and walk on top of the old city fortress walls.




Options in the Alps

Arosa: Metropol Hotel - quaint little old hotel. Not very fancy - it's like honeymooning in your grandmother's house (HT: Mrs. Moishebatchy). The food is very basic, but delicious. Mikva on premises. If skiing is your thing, the have an agreement with one of the ski places (Härtner) not to charge Metropol customers for ski rentals over Shabbos.


Need a meal on shabbes, please PM me (Chuchem). I live 15 minute walk from the hyatt, close to chabad. Zürich has no eiruv!

Major Attractions
“Please edit the wiki to add more attractions”

Central Switzerland
-Lucerne, Pilatus Offers: Cogwheel, Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mini Zip-line and fun area
-Titlis Offers: Gondolas, Snow Tubing, Trutti Bikes, Ice Museum, Row Boating
-Brunni Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Stroll in Lake(!)

Jungfrau Region
-Jungfrau/jungfraujoch Click here for the Kosher hotel in Wengen / 360-degree panorama of Jungfraujoch-Top of Europe
-Grindelwald Offers: Gondolas, mega Zip-line, Trutti Bikes

Eastern Switzerland
-St. Moritz
Davos / Klosters
Arosa Click here for the Kosher Levins hotel

Southern Switzerland
-Zermatt - "Matterhorn"
-Saas-Fee Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mega Zip-line, Trotti Bikes, (Saas-Grund has Monster Trotteres) and on top of "Allalin" you can go Snow Tubing and Skiing even in the summer!
-Crans Montana You can email the Kosher hotel in Crans Montana Hotelmk@gmail.com  or call them at 0032485640498 or 003233011600


HalbTax Pass

A HalbTax pass (or Half Fare card) is a card designated for tourists and not for Swiss residents (officially...). The card gives you half price on all public transportation like buses, trains, trams, boats and also on "most" cable cars (attractions). There are basically 4 kinds.

1) An annual pass, the price is currently 175 francs. If i remember correctly it has a photo ID of the recipient, so double check before sharing it.
Click here for the annual pass

2) A 30 day pass, the price is currently 120 francs, it does not have a photo ID on it.
Click here or here for the 30 day pass

3) - Recommended for frequent traveling Swiss Travel Pass - you prepay a set amount per day and get unlimited for that day (plus "optional" for a fee, for 1 month including the days you chose, it is a HalbTax, even on the prepaid free days, it's only free for all transportation, on cable cars you only get half off). The price per day depends on how many days you prepay, for example if you prepay 8 days, the price per day will be about 53 francs, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 73 francs. If you are 25 y/o or younger, you can get the Youth Pass which is cheaper - If you prepay 8 days  the price per day will be about 40 francs a day, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 62 francs.
Click here (or here) for the prepaid pass

The card comes with a few days “you could chose your dates later”, officially when you want to use a certain day for the free day you should fill in on the pass that date, and when the first conductor comes he punches that day, but technically you can leave the date blank until the conductor comes, that way you have a chance if no conductor asks you for your card (happens quite often) you can save it for the next day :)

4) Swiss Transfer Ticket" This card costs 141 francs and is valid for 2 trips from and to the boarder or airport, for example you are traveling from the airport to Arosa and are not planning to go anywhere else or take any other transportation, with this card you will effectively pay 71 francs per way. This card is only valid for trips to and from the airport or boarder and no (long) stops allowed. Technically if you will travel one more day, the Swiss travel pass mentioned above will probably be cheaper.

Make sure to order your pass a few weeks before leaving, it takes about 1-3 weeks for the pass to arrive. But you can always buy it in the Airport, though you might have to wait in line and also if you want to buy the Youth pass (for 25 y/o or younger) they might ask you for proof...

There is also a family pass if you travel with a large family, I am not familiar with that.


Fast Baggage
There is a service via SBB, They deliver your luggage for you!! For example you are traveling from ZRH to Arosa, you don't want to be busy Shlepping around your luggage, You can check in your luggage in the airport and they (SBB) will deliver it to the train station in Arosa. This service is available "from and to" most train stations in Switzerland. You can ask about the Fast Baggage by any train station or read here or here

You can even buy a tag that you put on the luggage before checking in your luggage in any airport (i.e. JFK) and Rail Europe will take your luggage from the airplane in Switzerland and deliver it either to your hotel or to the train station in the city you're going to.  Read about Flight Luggage Here




PS. When doing research and getting to a website in German, just add /en (after .ch) to translate to English.
And Hey, Don't forget to write a TR ;)

Sample Itinerary for 9 hour stopover on Swiss flight from TLV to U.S. that lands at 810 and takes off around 5
Copied from @cholent:
Here it is: landed in zrh, crazy line for entering country but moved pretty quickly, about half an hour. Picked up sim in the airport. Rented car through Priceline from europecar. Drove to Titlis, stunning scenery along drive. Missed a turnoff because I couldn't get Waze to talk and I was trying to do some stuff online while we were driving, added half an hour to get there, but the stunning scenery made it worthwhile. Got there, parked, you pay at the entrance if you're going to park for more than an hour. Paid, took the cable car. Got off at there halfway station by mistake, gorgeous lake. Went back on and back up to the top. It was somewhat cloudy which was a pity. Suspension bridge was fun but no view because of the clouds. Took the ice flyer to the other peak, then went sledding down the hill, lots of fun. No tubing because there wasn't enough snow. We didn't have enough time for the ice cave because of the extra time driving there and we weren't sure where it was anyway. Made some new Israeli friends and took the cable car down with them. Got back to the airport, returning the car took less than five minutes, getting through the airport took a little longer so we didn't have time for showers at the lounge. It was amazing all around, I would definitely recommend

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2700 on: June 15, 2023, 02:57:49 PM »
Can anyone recommend a fair priced bicycle rental shop in Davos?
You'd be better off renting in St. Moritz which is a hour from Davos.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2701 on: June 15, 2023, 06:00:07 PM »
anyone know where to get a discounted day pass that will allow me access to aiguille du midi and mer de glace?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2702 on: June 15, 2023, 07:07:08 PM »
It gets crowded and outsiders can maybe sometimes be discouraged from attending, but I don't think ever turned away
bh, I’m going to engelberg and I would feel terrible if a minyan would turn away those who want to participate. Obv everyone should make a cheshbon on contributing to whoever organizes/gets the location and torahs etc., but Jews can’t turn away Jews from a minyan, full stop.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2703 on: June 15, 2023, 08:12:52 PM »
bh, I’m going to engelberg and I would feel terrible if a minyan would turn away those who want to participate. Obv everyone should make a cheshbon on contributing to whoever organizes/gets the location and torahs etc., but Jews can’t turn away Jews from a minyan, full stop.
He said they send them to the "official" temporary shul in St. Moritz. Why would you overcrowd a private hotel if you have another option?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2704 on: June 15, 2023, 08:28:10 PM »
bh, I’m going to engelberg and I would feel terrible if a minyan would turn away those who want to participate. Obv everyone should make a cheshbon on contributing to whoever organizes/gets the location and torahs etc., but Jews can’t turn away Jews from a minyan, full stop.
Kempinski St Moritz has genuine capacity issues which is why it sells out every Ben Hazamin
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2705 on: June 16, 2023, 12:45:40 AM »
He said they send them to the "official" temporary shul in St. Moritz. Why would you overcrowd a private hotel if you have another option?
agreed, when i read Mr.'s post i didn't know there was an alternative. (why i said bh).

Kempinski St Moritz has genuine capacity issues which is why it sells out every Ben Hazamin
i see now that engelberg has even less rooms (184 to 129). these places sell out in summer too? is it very busy in the pool etc?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2706 on: June 16, 2023, 02:37:07 AM »
bh, I’m going to engelberg and I would feel terrible if a minyan would turn away those who want to participate. Obv everyone should make a cheshbon on contributing to whoever organizes/gets the location and torahs etc., but Jews can’t turn away Jews from a minyan, full stop.

Nobody is turning Jews away from a minyan. In Maloya that was the condition from the non-jewish owner of the hotel who rented out the building.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2707 on: June 16, 2023, 03:33:59 AM »
agreed, when i read Mr.'s post i didn't know there was an alternative. (why i said bh).

i did actually did say it:
the question was after tisha baav and if i am not mistaken once there is a minyan in the village outsiders are not welcome


I do feel if there is an alternative option and an overwhelming number of outsiders I can understand the owners but i have been on both sides (Meaning a guest in the hotel and some times an outsider just for minyan )in the past and i think if everyone takes a step to understand the other side would be very special
When a non guest comes into a hotel he has to be sensitive dont take seats if there arent enough seats for the guests etc
but for those staying or owning hotels we are all yiden and a yid should not through away another yid (who is respectful) that just wants to daven to the same ribono shel olam

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2708 on: June 16, 2023, 05:49:34 AM »

 i see now that engelberg has even less rooms (184 to 129). these places sell out in summer too? is it very busy in the pool etc?
The Kempinski St Moritz limits the Kosher program to ~100 people because the hotel doesn't want it to be entirely Jewish. They only allocate spaces fitting for those numbers
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2709 on: June 16, 2023, 11:00:12 AM »
The Kempinski St Moritz limits the Kosher program to ~100 people because the hotel doesn't want it to be entirely Jewish. They only allocate spaces fitting for those numbers
that is true and i have davened there several times in July before tisha baav as hotel guest and as not and felt very welcome

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2710 on: June 18, 2023, 02:40:09 PM »
Wanting to give the Parnossah to local driver. Can someone share please info for Heimish Taxi Zurich-Davos in Summer?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2711 on: June 18, 2023, 04:48:35 PM »
that is true and i have davened there several times in July before tisha baav as hotel guest and as not and felt very welcome
Same, and I felt welcome in August too though I have a relationship.

This year the Kosher program is capped at 90 people.
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2712 on: June 18, 2023, 04:50:58 PM »
This year the Kosher program is capped at 90 people.
what’s the reason for capping it? Do they cap by engelberg too?

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« Reply #2713 on: June 18, 2023, 05:33:51 PM »
what’s the reason for capping it? Do they cap by engelberg too?
The hotel wants to maintain a non-Jewish clientele and wants them to feel comfortable. The program organizers would be thrilled to have more people.

Not sure re Engelbeg but don't think it's as big of an issue since there's less demand
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« Reply #2714 on: June 18, 2023, 07:26:42 PM »
Not sure re Engelbeg but don't think it's as big of an issue since there's less demand
why is there less demand for engelberg (in summer)?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2715 on: June 18, 2023, 07:44:00 PM »
why is there less demand for engelberg (in summer)?
St Moritz has been a Jewish summer retreat for more than a century, and is also a world famous destination. Engleberg is no more than a nice hotel in the Alps.
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2716 on: June 19, 2023, 05:58:53 AM »
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2717 on: June 20, 2023, 11:04:01 PM »
I am going to Zürich for two nights and doing day trips from there I want to stay near the kosher food. What hotel or what neighborhood should I stay in?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2718 on: June 20, 2023, 11:43:26 PM »
I am going to Zürich for two nights and doing day trips from there I want to stay near the kosher food. What hotel or what neighborhood should I stay in?
Not much kosher food options. They do deliver, though. You can also use the local food delivery app.

Zurich Wiedikon is the Jewish area where you have Kosher City grocery, Madan Bakery (also has sandwiches and sushi now, I think) and Babi's Bagel Shop (has pizza and pasta, too).
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #2719 on: June 20, 2023, 11:51:10 PM »
I am going to Zürich for two nights and doing day trips from there I want to stay near the kosher food. What hotel or what neighborhood should I stay in?
Not a pro, but I previously stayed at the crown plaza using a ihg fn certificate, and scootered to the shul, grocery, and bakery.