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Zurich
HOTELS
-The Park Hyatt is fantastic and a 10 minute walk to shul.
Tram stop: Stockerstrasse

RESTAURANTS

Meat:

Olive Garden - Located inside he JCC
Tram stop: Bahnhof Enge


Milk/Parve:

Fein und Schein - cafe type of place; ambience lacking, but hey, food is food

Bagels and Co.  (Bederstrasse corner Klopstockstrasse 8002 Zürich) Tram Stop "Waffenplatzstrasse"

Books & Bagels - combination bagel shop and judaica store

Bakery:

ATTRACTIONS
-Walk around the lake area
-Bahnhofstrasse window shopping
-Take a train to Lucerne and buy the golden ticket, included a boat ride on Lake Lucerne, cogwheel train and tram. Then take bus back to Lucerne
-When you arrive in Lucerne you can go to the tourist office to see a live view from Mount Pilatus (Or you can check online). If it's cloudy skip the cogwheel train and just take a nice boatride and explore the town, ancient bridges, and walk on top of the old city fortress walls.




Options in the Alps

Arosa: Metropol Hotel - quaint little old hotel. Not very fancy - it's like honeymooning in your grandmother's house (HT: Mrs. Moishebatchy). The food is very basic, but delicious. Mikva on premises. If skiing is your thing, the have an agreement with one of the ski places (Härtner) not to charge Metropol customers for ski rentals over Shabbos.


Need a meal on shabbes, please PM me (Chuchem). I live 15 minute walk from the hyatt, close to chabad. Zürich has no eiruv!

Major Attractions
“Please edit the wiki to add more attractions”

Central Switzerland
-Lucerne, Pilatus Offers: Cogwheel, Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mini Zip-line and fun area
-Titlis Offers: Gondolas, Snow Tubing, Trutti Bikes, Ice Museum, Row Boating
-Brunni Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Stroll in Lake(!)

Jungfrau Region
-Jungfrau/jungfraujoch Click here for the Kosher hotel in Wengen / 360-degree panorama of Jungfraujoch-Top of Europe
-Grindelwald Offers: Gondolas, mega Zip-line, Trutti Bikes

Eastern Switzerland
-St. Moritz
Davos / Klosters
Arosa Click here for the Kosher Levins hotel

Southern Switzerland
-Zermatt - "Matterhorn"
-Saas-Fee Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mega Zip-line, Trotti Bikes, (Saas-Grund has Monster Trotteres) and on top of "Allalin" you can go Snow Tubing and Skiing even in the summer!
-Crans Montana You can email the Kosher hotel in Crans Montana Hotelmk@gmail.com  or call them at 0032485640498 or 003233011600


HalbTax Pass

A HalbTax pass (or Half Fare card) is a card designated for tourists and not for Swiss residents (officially...). The card gives you half price on all public transportation like buses, trains, trams, boats and also on "most" cable cars (attractions). There are basically 4 kinds.

1) An annual pass, the price is currently 175 francs. If i remember correctly it has a photo ID of the recipient, so double check before sharing it.
Click here for the annual pass

2) A 30 day pass, the price is currently 120 francs, it does not have a photo ID on it.
Click here or here for the 30 day pass

3) - Recommended for frequent traveling Swiss Travel Pass - you prepay a set amount per day and get unlimited for that day (plus "optional" for a fee, for 1 month including the days you chose, it is a HalbTax, even on the prepaid free days, it's only free for all transportation, on cable cars you only get half off). The price per day depends on how many days you prepay, for example if you prepay 8 days, the price per day will be about 53 francs, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 73 francs. If you are 25 y/o or younger, you can get the Youth Pass which is cheaper - If you prepay 8 days  the price per day will be about 40 francs a day, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 62 francs.
Click here (or here) for the prepaid pass

The card comes with a few days “you could chose your dates later”, officially when you want to use a certain day for the free day you should fill in on the pass that date, and when the first conductor comes he punches that day, but technically you can leave the date blank until the conductor comes, that way you have a chance if no conductor asks you for your card (happens quite often) you can save it for the next day :)

4) Swiss Transfer Ticket" This card costs 141 francs and is valid for 2 trips from and to the boarder or airport, for example you are traveling from the airport to Arosa and are not planning to go anywhere else or take any other transportation, with this card you will effectively pay 71 francs per way. This card is only valid for trips to and from the airport or boarder and no (long) stops allowed. Technically if you will travel one more day, the Swiss travel pass mentioned above will probably be cheaper.

Make sure to order your pass a few weeks before leaving, it takes about 1-3 weeks for the pass to arrive. But you can always buy it in the Airport, though you might have to wait in line and also if you want to buy the Youth pass (for 25 y/o or younger) they might ask you for proof...

There is also a family pass if you travel with a large family, I am not familiar with that.


Fast Baggage
There is a service via SBB, They deliver your luggage for you!! For example you are traveling from ZRH to Arosa, you don't want to be busy Shlepping around your luggage, You can check in your luggage in the airport and they (SBB) will deliver it to the train station in Arosa. This service is available "from and to" most train stations in Switzerland. You can ask about the Fast Baggage by any train station or read here or here

You can even buy a tag that you put on the luggage before checking in your luggage in any airport (i.e. JFK) and Rail Europe will take your luggage from the airplane in Switzerland and deliver it either to your hotel or to the train station in the city you're going to.  Read about Flight Luggage Here




PS. When doing research and getting to a website in German, just add /en (after .ch) to translate to English.
And Hey, Don't forget to write a TR ;)

Sample Itinerary for 9 hour stopover on Swiss flight from TLV to U.S. that lands at 810 and takes off around 5
Copied from @cholent:
Here it is: landed in zrh, crazy line for entering country but moved pretty quickly, about half an hour. Picked up sim in the airport. Rented car through Priceline from europecar. Drove to Titlis, stunning scenery along drive. Missed a turnoff because I couldn't get Waze to talk and I was trying to do some stuff online while we were driving, added half an hour to get there, but the stunning scenery made it worthwhile. Got there, parked, you pay at the entrance if you're going to park for more than an hour. Paid, took the cable car. Got off at there halfway station by mistake, gorgeous lake. Went back on and back up to the top. It was somewhat cloudy which was a pity. Suspension bridge was fun but no view because of the clouds. Took the ice flyer to the other peak, then went sledding down the hill, lots of fun. No tubing because there wasn't enough snow. We didn't have enough time for the ice cave because of the extra time driving there and we weren't sure where it was anyway. Made some new Israeli friends and took the cable car down with them. Got back to the airport, returning the car took less than five minutes, getting through the airport took a little longer so we didn't have time for showers at the lounge. It was amazing all around, I would definitely recommend

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1410 on: January 28, 2017, 02:21:36 PM »
So I'm planning on going to Europe late February, stopping in Switzerland, I want to go to the alps maybe stay in a relatively cheap ski resort for a night go skiing etc. I know that's not Zurich so where is it?

Also, cheap and Switzerland don't go together in the same sentence. If you want relatively cheap, you would have to fly to France or Austria instead.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1411 on: January 29, 2017, 05:41:40 AM »
Also, cheap and Switzerland don't go together in the same sentence. If you want relatively cheap, you would have to fly to France or Austria instead.
How would this work coming from Venice? Train? To where?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1412 on: January 29, 2017, 05:54:19 AM »
Also would you recommend taking air bnb

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1413 on: January 29, 2017, 08:58:53 AM »
How would this work coming from Venice? Train? To where?

From Venice, here are the places I can recommend in Italy. You can also venture out to Austria, or Slovenia. (Slovenia would be cheaper ski and accommodation prices.)

See:
http://www.dolomitisuperski.com/en 
http://www.dolomitisuperski.com/en/ski-area/alta-badia

https://www.j2ski.com/ski_resorts/Italy/Dolomiti_Superski.html
https://www.j2ski.com/ski_resorts/Italy/Alta_Badia.html
https://www.j2ski.com/ski_resorts/Italy/Madonna_di_Campiglio.html
https://www.j2ski.com/ski_resorts/Italy/Selva_Gardena.html

Also see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ski/articles/Best-Italian-ski-resorts/

From Venice, it's not worth schlepping to Switzerland, as it would be at least 8 hours by train to e.g. St. Moritz.  (although much shorter by car)
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1414 on: January 29, 2017, 10:25:03 AM »
From Venice, here are the places I can recommend in Italy. You can also venture out to Austria, or Slovenia. (Slovenia would be cheaper ski and accommodation prices.)

See:
http://www.dolomitisuperski.com/en 
http://www.dolomitisuperski.com/en/ski-area/alta-badia

https://www.j2ski.com/ski_resorts/Italy/Dolomiti_Superski.html
https://www.j2ski.com/ski_resorts/Italy/Alta_Badia.html
https://www.j2ski.com/ski_resorts/Italy/Madonna_di_Campiglio.html
https://www.j2ski.com/ski_resorts/Italy/Selva_Gardena.html

Also see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ski/articles/Best-Italian-ski-resorts/

From Venice, it's not worth schlepping to Switzerland, as it would be at least 8 hours by train to e.g. St. Moritz.  (although much shorter by car)
I wouldn't mind though taking a train that long through the night, where do I look for these trains?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1415 on: January 29, 2017, 10:27:30 AM »
I wouldn't mind though taking a train that long through the night, where do I look for these trains?
But all the ski areas that were mentioned before in Switzerland seem far from St. Moritz, isn't there a close destination from Venice? Or closer swis alps ski to st Moritz?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1416 on: January 29, 2017, 11:56:14 AM »
But all the ski areas that were mentioned before in Switzerland seem far from St. Moritz, isn't there a close destination from Venice? Or closer swis alps ski to st Moritz?
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My previous posts mentioned ski resorts in Italy, that would be convenient from Venice. St. Moritz is by the Italian border, so that would be one of the major ski resorts in Switzerland closest to Venice, although many Italian, Austrian, and Slovenian ski resorts would be much closer.
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1417 on: January 29, 2017, 01:37:25 PM »
But all the ski areas that were mentioned before in Switzerland seem far from St. Moritz, isn't there a close destination from Venice? Or closer swis alps ski to st Moritz?
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My previous posts mentioned ski resorts in Italy, that would be convenient from Venice. St. Moritz is by the Italian border, so that would be one of the major ski resorts in Switzerland closest to Venice, although many Italian, Austrian, and Slovenian ski resorts would be much closer.
And what are the ski resorts near st Moritz

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1418 on: January 29, 2017, 01:49:23 PM »
I wouldn't mind though taking a train that long through the night, where do I look for these trains?

Venice to St. Moritz, you can get a 7.5 hour train with 3 connections - but if you are in Venice, why not just enjoy the Italian alps in Northern Italy?

This is a Swiss thread - Not Italy, but FYI - Italian trains you can look up at http://www.trenitalia.com  - and make sure to use the Italian names, not the English names. (Venezia not Venice)

For trains in Switzerland or going to Switzerland - look at http://fahrplan.sbb.ch/bin/query.exe/en

for Alta Badia there are buses from Venice airport- e.g http://www.cortinaexpress.it/index.php/linee-alta-badia/?lang=en
or get a train to Brunico and then a bus from there.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1419 on: January 29, 2017, 01:53:41 PM »
And what are the ski resorts near st Moritz

next to St. Moritz : Samedan, Celerina, Zuoz, La Punt-Chamues-ch, Pontresina, etc.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1420 on: January 30, 2017, 10:33:59 PM »
Anyone ever been to crans Montana ski?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1421 on: January 31, 2017, 02:38:58 AM »
Anyone ever been to crans Montana ski?

Chaim, are you really planning to go? You were posting asking for cheap before. Train from ZRH airport would cost $115 each way, accommodation is very expensive, and ski lift also costs lots $$$.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1422 on: February 02, 2017, 12:55:01 AM »
Chaim, are you really planning to go? You were posting asking for cheap before. Train from ZRH airport would cost $115 each way, accommodation is very expensive, and ski lift also costs lots $$$.
Plans were changed to arrive in Geneva... So in your opinion where would I go for skiing is there anywhere close enough to the airport somewhat?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1423 on: February 02, 2017, 07:58:23 AM »
Plans were changed to arrive in Geneva... So in your opinion where would I go for skiing is there anywhere close enough to the airport somewhat?

I would recommend Chamonix, France - only 60 miles away... there are a few shuttles available from Geneva, 
http://www.ouibus.com/line/geneve-aeroport-chamonix , http://www.chamexpress.com, http://www.mountaindropoffs.com ...

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiguille_du_Midi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bossons_Glacier
https://www.ricksteves.com/europe/france/chamonix

Also see: https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Chamonix
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1424 on: February 02, 2017, 12:08:23 PM »
Try this
http://seat61.com/Swiss-trains.htm#Swiss_travel_pass_&_Swiss_transfer_tickets
Sorry for the delayed response. I took a look and for me, it looks like the best option is paying full fare for everything :( but thanks for that direction.
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