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Zurich
HOTELS
-The Park Hyatt is fantastic and a 10 minute walk to shul.
Tram stop: Stockerstrasse

RESTAURANTS

Meat:

Olive Garden - Located inside he JCC
Tram stop: Bahnhof Enge


Milk/Parve:

Fein und Schein - cafe type of place; ambience lacking, but hey, food is food

Bagels and Co.  (Bederstrasse corner Klopstockstrasse 8002 Zürich) Tram Stop "Waffenplatzstrasse"

Books & Bagels - combination bagel shop and judaica store

Bakery:

ATTRACTIONS
-Walk around the lake area
-Bahnhofstrasse window shopping
-Take a train to Lucerne and buy the golden ticket, included a boat ride on Lake Lucerne, cogwheel train and tram. Then take bus back to Lucerne
-When you arrive in Lucerne you can go to the tourist office to see a live view from Mount Pilatus (Or you can check online). If it's cloudy skip the cogwheel train and just take a nice boatride and explore the town, ancient bridges, and walk on top of the old city fortress walls.




Options in the Alps

Arosa: Metropol Hotel - quaint little old hotel. Not very fancy - it's like honeymooning in your grandmother's house (HT: Mrs. Moishebatchy). The food is very basic, but delicious. Mikva on premises. If skiing is your thing, the have an agreement with one of the ski places (Härtner) not to charge Metropol customers for ski rentals over Shabbos.


Need a meal on shabbes, please PM me (Chuchem). I live 15 minute walk from the hyatt, close to chabad. Zürich has no eiruv!

Major Attractions
“Please edit the wiki to add more attractions”

Central Switzerland
-Lucerne, Pilatus Offers: Cogwheel, Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mini Zip-line and fun area
-Titlis Offers: Gondolas, Snow Tubing, Trutti Bikes, Ice Museum, Row Boating
-Brunni Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Stroll in Lake(!)

Jungfrau Region
-Jungfrau/jungfraujoch Click here for the Kosher hotel in Wengen / 360-degree panorama of Jungfraujoch-Top of Europe
-Grindelwald Offers: Gondolas, mega Zip-line, Trutti Bikes

Eastern Switzerland
-St. Moritz
Davos / Klosters
Arosa Click here for the Kosher Levins hotel

Southern Switzerland
-Zermatt - "Matterhorn"
-Saas-Fee Offers: Gondolas, Alpine Sliding, Mega Zip-line, Trotti Bikes, (Saas-Grund has Monster Trotteres) and on top of "Allalin" you can go Snow Tubing and Skiing even in the summer!
-Crans Montana You can email the Kosher hotel in Crans Montana Hotelmk@gmail.com  or call them at 0032485640498 or 003233011600


HalbTax Pass

A HalbTax pass (or Half Fare card) is a card designated for tourists and not for Swiss residents (officially...). The card gives you half price on all public transportation like buses, trains, trams, boats and also on "most" cable cars (attractions). There are basically 4 kinds.

1) An annual pass, the price is currently 175 francs. If i remember correctly it has a photo ID of the recipient, so double check before sharing it.
Click here for the annual pass

2) A 30 day pass, the price is currently 120 francs, it does not have a photo ID on it.
Click here or here for the 30 day pass

3) - Recommended for frequent traveling Swiss Travel Pass - you prepay a set amount per day and get unlimited for that day (plus "optional" for a fee, for 1 month including the days you chose, it is a HalbTax, even on the prepaid free days, it's only free for all transportation, on cable cars you only get half off). The price per day depends on how many days you prepay, for example if you prepay 8 days, the price per day will be about 53 francs, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 73 francs. If you are 25 y/o or younger, you can get the Youth Pass which is cheaper - If you prepay 8 days  the price per day will be about 40 francs a day, if you prepay 3 days the price per day will be about 62 francs.
Click here (or here) for the prepaid pass

The card comes with a few days “you could chose your dates later”, officially when you want to use a certain day for the free day you should fill in on the pass that date, and when the first conductor comes he punches that day, but technically you can leave the date blank until the conductor comes, that way you have a chance if no conductor asks you for your card (happens quite often) you can save it for the next day :)

4) Swiss Transfer Ticket" This card costs 141 francs and is valid for 2 trips from and to the boarder or airport, for example you are traveling from the airport to Arosa and are not planning to go anywhere else or take any other transportation, with this card you will effectively pay 71 francs per way. This card is only valid for trips to and from the airport or boarder and no (long) stops allowed. Technically if you will travel one more day, the Swiss travel pass mentioned above will probably be cheaper.

Make sure to order your pass a few weeks before leaving, it takes about 1-3 weeks for the pass to arrive. But you can always buy it in the Airport, though you might have to wait in line and also if you want to buy the Youth pass (for 25 y/o or younger) they might ask you for proof...

There is also a family pass if you travel with a large family, I am not familiar with that.


Fast Baggage
There is a service via SBB, They deliver your luggage for you!! For example you are traveling from ZRH to Arosa, you don't want to be busy Shlepping around your luggage, You can check in your luggage in the airport and they (SBB) will deliver it to the train station in Arosa. This service is available "from and to" most train stations in Switzerland. You can ask about the Fast Baggage by any train station or read here or here

You can even buy a tag that you put on the luggage before checking in your luggage in any airport (i.e. JFK) and Rail Europe will take your luggage from the airplane in Switzerland and deliver it either to your hotel or to the train station in the city you're going to.  Read about Flight Luggage Here




PS. When doing research and getting to a website in German, just add /en (after .ch) to translate to English.
And Hey, Don't forget to write a TR ;)

Sample Itinerary for 9 hour stopover on Swiss flight from TLV to U.S. that lands at 810 and takes off around 5
Copied from @cholent:
Here it is: landed in zrh, crazy line for entering country but moved pretty quickly, about half an hour. Picked up sim in the airport. Rented car through Priceline from europecar. Drove to Titlis, stunning scenery along drive. Missed a turnoff because I couldn't get Waze to talk and I was trying to do some stuff online while we were driving, added half an hour to get there, but the stunning scenery made it worthwhile. Got there, parked, you pay at the entrance if you're going to park for more than an hour. Paid, took the cable car. Got off at there halfway station by mistake, gorgeous lake. Went back on and back up to the top. It was somewhat cloudy which was a pity. Suspension bridge was fun but no view because of the clouds. Took the ice flyer to the other peak, then went sledding down the hill, lots of fun. No tubing because there wasn't enough snow. We didn't have enough time for the ice cave because of the extra time driving there and we weren't sure where it was anyway. Made some new Israeli friends and took the cable car down with them. Got back to the airport, returning the car took less than five minutes, getting through the airport took a little longer so we didn't have time for showers at the lounge. It was amazing all around, I would definitely recommend

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1725 on: August 09, 2017, 10:29:56 AM »
Anyone know of a driver I can hire for a day?
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1726 on: August 09, 2017, 10:34:56 AM »
Anyone know of a driver I can hire for a day?

And if it works for you, can he also drive me?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1727 on: August 09, 2017, 10:37:51 AM »
I have the same flights also, after sukkos

Ok @cholent I added a spot in wiki for sample 9 hour stopover itinerary

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1728 on: August 09, 2017, 10:49:58 AM »
Anyone know of a driver I can hire for a day?

@Saulius or @chuchem I would imagine you are the ones who might know about this?
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1729 on: August 10, 2017, 11:13:46 PM »
34 degrees now Friday morning in Saas Fee.

http://www.meteocentrale.ch/en/europe/switzerland/weather-saas-fee/details/N-3516666/

Just imagine the temperature higher on the snowy mountains of the area...

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1730 on: August 11, 2017, 02:42:51 AM »
34 degrees now Friday morning in Saas Fee.

http://www.meteocentrale.ch/en/europe/switzerland/weather-saas-fee/details/N-3516666/

Just imagine the temperature higher on the snowy mountains of the area...

34 Degrees ? I guess you are on Fahrenheit, which is only used in the US, Bahamas, Belize, Micronesia, and the Cayman Islands according to wiki.  Why can't the US be like the rest of the world?

Between -5 & -6 °C at Mittelallalin 3500m, which is 5-6 km from Saas Fee. (That's about 21-23 °F )

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1731 on: August 11, 2017, 06:35:30 AM »
34 Degrees ? I guess you are on Fahrenheit, which is only used in the US, Bahamas, Belize, Micronesia, and the Cayman Islands according to wiki.  Why can't the US be like the rest of the world?

Between -5 & -6 °C at Mittelallalin 3500m, which is 5-6 km from Saas Fee. (That's about 21-23 °F )

Yup...

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1732 on: August 11, 2017, 06:44:20 AM »
Webcams show the entire area covered in snow, not just the peaks.

http://www.saas-fee.ch/en/live/webcams/
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1733 on: August 11, 2017, 10:03:03 AM »
34 Degrees ? I guess you are on Fahrenheit, which is only used in the US, Bahamas, Belize, Micronesia, and the Cayman Islands according to wiki.  Why can't the US be like the rest of the world?

Between -5 & -6 °C at Mittelallalin 3500m, which is 5-6 km from Saas Fee. (That's about 21-23 °F )

The U.S. is better run in every way, including the use of measuring units that are suited to everyday life instead of suited to science labs.

Fahrenheit is based on the temperatures relevant in everyday life. Temperatures outside range typically from about 0 to 100.   The units are small enough that there is no meaningful difference in half-units, but not so small that they don't convey a meaningful difference.

Compare to Celsius where outside temperatures range from like negative 10 to 40, and the units are so large that a difference of 5 units is the difference between needing a jacket or being too hot.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1734 on: August 12, 2017, 04:22:20 PM »
The U.S. is better run in every way, including the use of measuring units that are suited to everyday life instead of suited to science labs.

Fahrenheit is based on the temperatures relevant in everyday life. Temperatures outside range typically from about 0 to 100.   The units are small enough that there is no meaningful difference in half-units, but not so small that they don't convey a meaningful difference.

Compare to Celsius where outside temperatures range from like negative 10 to 40, and the units are so large that a difference of 5 units is the difference between needing a jacket or being too hot.

I been to over 50 countries -- traveled extensively due to work assignments all over the world. You got to be joking: "The U.S. is better run in every way" -- It's not!

Just look at the public transportation system lags behind many Western Countries.  Switzerland has magnificent public transportation that everybody uses, even the very wealthy. I just heard that New York finally has mobile phone coverage in the underground subway, while third world cities like Cairo have mobile coverage in their underground since 2002.  Look at the incarnation rate per capita in the US for 2013, 693 per 100,000, in Switzerland, it was 84. in Switzerland, the health care system is better, see: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/04/29/why-switzerland-has-the-worlds-best-health-care-system/ 

Tuition fees for top universities in Switzerland are about $600 per semester. In Switzerland, one can get around by foot or bicycle, in the US, in most places being without a car, is like being in prison, and people waste hours each day sitting in traffic.  In Switzerland, you have a better chance of your kids growing up without having to visit a rehab clinic or undertake some form of psychological care, you don't see homeless people, Swiss employers offer 4-7 weeks vacation each year, Swiss drivers license do not expire, Work to live mentality, not the other way around in the US. US tax code is 74,608 pages/ 4 million words.  Switzerland has very low low-income taxes (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Switzerland)

And Fahrenheit the units are so small, that it's not always relevant. The weather in the US is reported the low 70s or the high 60s. Can you differentiate how it feels when it's between 64 degrees and 67 degrees?

Celsius has two numbers that are easy to remember (0,100) tied directly to things we can observe. Having a decimal scale of exactly 100, makes it easier to figure out the difference between 0 and 10 (1 tenth closer to boiling), or -5 and 0 (freezing cold to freezing point), while the Fahrenheit scale uses two arbitrary numbers (32 and 212), making it much harder to figure out how much colder than freezing is it, or even the halfway point between freezing and boiling. Plus, Celsius has the advantage of universal usage, pretty much every place on earth other than the US uses Celsius. Reporting temperature in Fahrenheit is just confusing as hell and makes absolutely no sense to the 7.2 billion people out of 7.5 billion out there.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1735 on: August 12, 2017, 09:34:48 PM »
I been to over 50 countries -- traveled extensively due to work assignments all over the world. You got to be joking: "The U.S. is better run in every way" -- It's not!

Just look at the public transportation system lags behind many Western Countries.  Switzerland has magnificent public transportation that everybody uses, even the very wealthy. I just heard that New York finally has mobile phone coverage in the underground subway, while third world cities like Cairo have mobile coverage in their underground since 2002.  Look at the incarnation rate per capita in the US for 2013, 693 per 100,000, in Switzerland, it was 84. in Switzerland, the health care system is better, see: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/04/29/why-switzerland-has-the-worlds-best-health-care-system/ 

Tuition fees for top universities in Switzerland are about $600 per semester. In Switzerland, one can get around by foot or bicycle, in the US, in most places being without a car, is like being in prison, and people waste hours each day sitting in traffic.  In Switzerland, you have a better chance of your kids growing up without having to visit a rehab clinic or undertake some form of psychological care, you don't see homeless people, Swiss employers offer 4-7 weeks vacation each year, Swiss drivers license do not expire, Work to live mentality, not the other way around in the US. US tax code is 74,608 pages/ 4 million words.  Switzerland has very low low-income taxes (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Switzerland)

And Fahrenheit the units are so small, that it's not always relevant. The weather in the US is reported the low 70s or the high 60s. Can you differentiate how it feels when it's between 64 degrees and 67 degrees?

Celsius has two numbers that are easy to remember (0,100) tied directly to things we can observe. Having a decimal scale of exactly 100, makes it easier to figure out the difference between 0 and 10 (1 tenth closer to boiling), or -5 and 0 (freezing cold to freezing point), while the Fahrenheit scale uses two arbitrary numbers (32 and 212), making it much harder to figure out how much colder than freezing is it, or even the halfway point between freezing and boiling. Plus, Celsius has the advantage of universal usage, pretty much every place on earth other than the US uses Celsius. Reporting temperature in Fahrenheit is just confusing as hell and makes absolutely no sense to the 7.2 billion people out of 7.5 billion out there.

Of course. Because when you check the weather, or adjust the thermostat, the first thing you want to know is how the weather compares to the freezing point of water or boiling point of water, at sea level.

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1736 on: August 12, 2017, 11:52:36 PM »
I been to over 50 countries -- traveled extensively due to work assignments all over the world. You got to be joking: "The U.S. is better run in every way" -- It's not!

Just look at the public transportation system lags behind many Western Countries.  Switzerland has magnificent public transportation that everybody uses, even the very wealthy. I just heard that New York finally has mobile phone coverage in the underground subway, while third world cities like Cairo have mobile coverage in their underground since 2002.  Look at the incarnation rate per capita in the US for 2013, 693 per 100,000, in Switzerland, it was 84. in Switzerland, the health care system is better, see: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/04/29/why-switzerland-has-the-worlds-best-health-care-system/ 

Tuition fees for top universities in Switzerland are about $600 per semester. In Switzerland, one can get around by foot or bicycle, in the US, in most places being without a car, is like being in prison, and people waste hours each day sitting in traffic.  In Switzerland, you have a better chance of your kids growing up without having to visit a rehab clinic or undertake some form of psychological care, you don't see homeless people, Swiss employers offer 4-7 weeks vacation each year, Swiss drivers license do not expire, Work to live mentality, not the other way around in the US. US tax code is 74,608 pages/ 4 million words.  Switzerland has very low low-income taxes (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Switzerland)

And Fahrenheit the units are so small, that it's not always relevant. The weather in the US is reported the low 70s or the high 60s. Can you differentiate how it feels when it's between 64 degrees and 67 degrees?

Celsius has two numbers that are easy to remember (0,100) tied directly to things we can observe. Having a decimal scale of exactly 100, makes it easier to figure out the difference between 0 and 10 (1 tenth closer to boiling), or -5 and 0 (freezing cold to freezing point), while the Fahrenheit scale uses two arbitrary numbers (32 and 212), making it much harder to figure out how much colder than freezing is it, or even the halfway point between freezing and boiling. Plus, Celsius has the advantage of universal usage, pretty much every place on earth other than the US uses Celsius. Reporting temperature in Fahrenheit is just confusing as hell and makes absolutely no sense to the 7.2 billion people out of 7.5 billion out there.
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1737 on: August 13, 2017, 12:15:07 AM »
Do Israeli two-prongs plugs work in Switzerland?

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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1738 on: August 13, 2017, 12:48:40 AM »
Landing in zrh 8:10 am from tlv, is it possible to make it for 9 am Shacharis in Zurich?
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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
« Reply #1739 on: August 13, 2017, 01:35:50 AM »
I'm having a 3 hour layover. Can grab a fast dinner close by to the airport and not missing my connection?
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