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Before you post, here are some quick notes about the ring (Updated August 2019), that have been discussed in this forum:

- More important that anything else - AYLOR before you buy as YMMV
- There are two types of Ring Doorbells - those that are battery powered (Doorbell/Doorbell 2/View Cam), and those that are hardwired (Pro/Pro Elite)
- Disabling the Wifi works to prevent recordings, and disabling motion zones won't alert you, but most people still think that ring will still be triggered on by motion
- There are many tools with modern Wi-fi routers - Circle, Google Wi-fi, etc that enable you to cut off your rings Wi-Fi on a schedule or manually
- If you have a hard-wired Ring, you can add a switch to the circuit to completely turn it off before Shabbos
- Some people have a manual switch, others have added a programmable relay.
- Other people cover the doorbell

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #120 on: August 05, 2019, 08:29:58 AM »
So does going into the app and shutting off the motion every week.
it has been mentioned several times upthread that it still records when motion is turned off, it just doesn't send alerts. It would seem , covering it would solve the issue of recording
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #121 on: August 05, 2019, 08:43:29 AM »
Just remember the Pro needs to be wired. I originally bought the Pro and then it didnt work because my old doorbell didn't have the right voltage to power the Pro. I didnt want to deal with that so I returned and got the Ring 2 instead.
That's why I am looking to switch the pro (which I got on prime day for $68) for a ring 2. Any ideas would be appreciated.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #122 on: August 05, 2019, 09:26:54 AM »
it has been mentioned several times upthread that it still records when motion is turned off, it just doesn't send alerts. It would seem , covering it would solve the issue of recording
I copied what I believe to me the most pertinent comments below.
If you "turn off" motion you won't get alerts but motion will still be recorded. If you shut off wifi then nothing will be recorded as per below, but red lights will still come on for Ring 2 (which I believe is the detection sequence that gozalim is referencing). If you kill the zones then motion wonít be recorded and lights donít come on so I believe all of the issues are solved, same as if you just covered the doorbell.

Someone here showed me that while motion was turned off, he didn't get alerts but when he looked in his app history, it still wrote down all the times someone passed infront the camera while motion was off.
Yup. You need to kill the zones or shut off power to the device.
His solution was to have his router turn off the wifi to the Ring. Which solved the problem. Only remaining problem is red lights from @Geshmak25 although he (and myself) haven't seen any red lights yet.
that only stops the detected motions from being recorded long term at the server.  the detection sequence is still triggered locally, no? AYLOR if that solves it...
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #123 on: August 05, 2019, 09:31:25 AM »
I think Geshmak has it correct. But I am not sure what killing the zones entails. After Shabbos, do you have to go back into the app and set up your zones again? Seems like something that could be annoying every week. My friend with a Ring 2 says he just covers it every Shabbos.

That's why I am looking to switch the pro (which I got on prime day for $68) for a ring 2. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Yes! Let's trade! I have the 2 and want the Pro.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #124 on: August 05, 2019, 09:34:23 AM »
Is there a smart timer that can act as a kill switch on a timer ?

I think you are asking is there a way to time a kill switch for one of these doorbells:
1. See the item at the link below - it's a smart switch that you can program remotely.
2. You can also (as Dan has suggested and done himself) have a regular button or switch that you simply turn off power to the unit before shabbos and turn it back on afterward.
3. These, AFAIK, only apply to the Ring Pro, which is wired - the pro is not only wired, but it also has a backup battery. To make this work, you need a switch that sits between all power supplies and the unit.
4. The regular Ring/Ring 2/ New Ring Doorcam are all battery powered.

I don't have motion detection on at all. I guess I could turn it on and turn it off before shabbos, but I feel like I'd always forget and not really sure I want it in the first place.
The other option I think would be to order something like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32995014520.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1af01f677jibtl&algo_pvid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b&algo_expid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b-12&btsid=13db5839-cbc6-4cee-8ade-f6ff98ea23be&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5,searchweb201603_52 and install it on the wire leading to the ring. Then you can set it to automatically go on and off based on shkia.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #125 on: August 05, 2019, 09:37:00 AM »
After Shabbos, do you have to go back into the app and set up your zones again?
Yes

Seems like something that could be annoying every week. My friend with a Ring 2 says he just covers it every Shabbos.
Don't see why going into app is any more annoying than covering and uncovering every week.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #126 on: August 05, 2019, 09:38:19 AM »
Yes
Don't see why going into app is any more annoying than covering and uncovering every week.
I don't know what setting up zones entails. Taking off your tin foil takes 1 second.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #127 on: August 05, 2019, 09:45:46 AM »
Covering the ring means you lose the natural deterrence that Ring provides.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #128 on: August 05, 2019, 09:47:47 AM »
Covering the ring means you lose the natural deterrence that Ring provides.
But on a day that typically has many people walking around and in and out of the house all day.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #129 on: August 05, 2019, 10:01:18 AM »
I don't know what setting up zones entails. Taking off your tin foil takes 1 second.
No biggie
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #130 on: August 05, 2019, 10:03:29 AM »
And obviously, one needs to clarify if the app recording motion is a issue in the first place

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #131 on: August 05, 2019, 10:03:54 AM »
No biggie
That's good. But I guess if you have the wiring, it just makes more sense to get a Pro from a shabbos perspective.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #132 on: August 05, 2019, 10:12:34 AM »
To clarify my sequence comment :
Regardless of what external display results, the very fact that the sensor noted a motion, sets in motion a programming sequence. Without wifi it may error out at the 'recording' stage, it may not display a light, but the circuits in the program have been set in motion.'
Depending on which shita in electricity shabbos in general, this can be an issue.


(a similar issue was raised by rabbi LY Halperin a"h in response to the kosher switch (which badly resembles his 1970s invention more than anything else))
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #133 on: August 05, 2019, 10:14:48 AM »
I use the Circle by Disney app to kill the wifi to my Ring every week. It is available for use with many Netgear routers - check online if yours is compatible. It's much simpler than killing the motion zones or manually shutting wifi. I just set up a Circle profile with only my ring in it, and pause it every Friday at the same time that I shut my fridge lights. If I would use the paid version of Circle, I would be able to set the ring to shut automatically on a schedule, but I don't have any use for the other features so I just use the free version and use it as a kill switch.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #134 on: August 05, 2019, 10:17:40 AM »
To clarify my sequence comment :
Regardless of what external display results, the very gave that the sensor noted a motion, sets on motion a programming sequence. Without wifi it may error out at the 'recording stage, it may not display a light, but the circuits in the program have been set in motion.
Depending on which shita in electricity shabbos in general, this can be an issue.


(a similar issue was raised by rabbi LY Halperin a"h in response to the kosher switch (which badly resembles his 1970s invention more than anything else)
But it would be a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, since you get absolutely no benefit from the sequence, and it's probably a d'rabonon, so practically all poskim (that I know) would say it's not an issue. The only time there is a sheila is when you potentially derive benefit from a light or a recording.
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