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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2018, 01:44:39 PM »
... uh... pull out one of the batteries before shabbos, and you should be good :)
Its kind of a hassle to do.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2018, 09:43:20 PM »
Its kind of a hassle to do.

Basically a button that kills power to the device. Wouldn't work if you're battery powered.

In all honesty should I forget it since I'm on battery?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2018, 10:29:32 PM »
... uh... pull out one of the batteries before shabbos, and you should be good :)
Lol. For that price, just go into the app and disable motion sensing each Friday.

There is an option to set a schedule disabling ringing so the best solution would be if Ring enabled an option to have motion sensing turn off for set periods.

I wonder if there's an app that can be set to go into the ring app each Friday and edit the setting to shut off motion

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2018, 10:31:41 PM »
Don't think that's simple.
Sheivet HaLevi 9:69 permits walking in an area where there is a motion sensor that will activate a light, such as those attached to the outside of buildings. He explains that davar she’eino mitkaven refers only to when one does an action that may cause an unintended melacha. If, however, one is walking normally and makes no motion in order for a melacha to occur, it is not even a psik reisha as long as one’s intent isn’t to turn on the light. Orchot Shabbat (p. 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv and Rav Nissim Karlitz who say that since one doesn’t have a direct connection to the melacha and doesn’t care about the light, it’s not called melechet machshevet. The Shabbos Home (p. 489) agrees.

Rabbi Mordechai Willig (“Halacha Engages Modernity Part 8,” min 50-60) challenges this line of reasoning because it should be considered a psik reisha d’nicha lei and turning on a light might be deoraitta. Furthermore, The 39 Melachos (p. 1215) says that if one can’t avoid walking in a place that will turn on a light because of a motion sensor and the streets are dark so that one will benefit from the light turning on, one shouldn’t leave his house! He does permit one to walk past such a motion sensor if he closes his eyes at the time when the light will turn on because in such a case then it is not considered niche lei, even if one will open one's eyes right afterwards.

On the other hand, Rabbi Hershel Schachter (“Electricity on Shabbos,” min 62-8) explains that if one is doing an action that is physically disconnected from where the melacha is occurring, it isn’t considered a psik reisha. Thus, Rav Schachter says that there’s what to rely on to permit walking in an area where there is a surveillance camera or a motion sensor which will turn on a light as long as one doesn’t have intent to be videoed or turn on the light.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2018, 10:34:23 PM »
Sheivet HaLevi 9:69 permits walking in an area where there is a motion sensor that will activate a light, such as those attached to the outside of buildings. He explains that davar she’eino mitkaven refers only to when one does an action that may cause an unintended melacha. If, however, one is walking normally and makes no motion in order for a melacha to occur, it is not even a psik reisha as long as one’s intent isn’t to turn on the light. Orchot Shabbat (p. 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv and Rav Nissim Karlitz who say that since one doesn’t have a direct connection to the melacha and doesn’t care about the light, it’s not called melechet machshevet. The Shabbos Home (p. 489) agrees.

Rabbi Mordechai Willig (“Halacha Engages Modernity Part 8,” min 50-60) challenges this line of reasoning because it should be considered a psik reisha d’nicha lei and turning on a light might be deoraitta. Furthermore, The 39 Melachos (p. 1215) says that if one can’t avoid walking in a place that will turn on a light because of a motion sensor and the streets are dark so that one will benefit from the light turning on, one shouldn’t leave his house! He does permit one to walk past such a motion sensor if he closes his eyes at the time when the light will turn on because in such a case then it is not considered niche lei, even if one will open one's eyes right afterwards.

On the other hand, Rabbi Hershel Schachter (“Electricity on Shabbos,” min 62-8) explains that if one is doing an action that is physically disconnected from where the melacha is occurring, it isn’t considered a psik reisha. Thus, Rav Schachter says that there’s what to rely on to permit walking in an area where there is a surveillance camera or a motion sensor which will turn on a light as long as one doesn’t have intent to be videoed or turn on the light.
None of that means that it's OK to have on your house l'chatchila.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2018, 10:40:52 PM »
Sheivet HaLevi 9:69 permits walking in an area where there is a motion sensor that will activate a light, such as those attached to the outside of buildings. He explains that davar she’eino mitkaven refers only to when one does an action that may cause an unintended melacha. If, however, one is walking normally and makes no motion in order for a melacha to occur, it is not even a psik reisha as long as one’s intent isn’t to turn on the light. Orchot Shabbat (p. 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv and Rav Nissim Karlitz who say that since one doesn’t have a direct connection to the melacha and doesn’t care about the light, it’s not called melechet machshevet. The Shabbos Home (p. 489) agrees.

Rabbi Mordechai Willig (“Halacha Engages Modernity Part 8,” min 50-60) challenges this line of reasoning because it should be considered a psik reisha d’nicha lei and turning on a light might be deoraitta. Furthermore, The 39 Melachos (p. 1215) says that if one can’t avoid walking in a place that will turn on a light because of a motion sensor and the streets are dark so that one will benefit from the light turning on, one shouldn’t leave his house! He does permit one to walk past such a motion sensor if he closes his eyes at the time when the light will turn on because in such a case then it is not considered niche lei, even if one will open one's eyes right afterwards.

On the other hand, Rabbi Hershel Schachter (“Electricity on Shabbos,” min 62-8) explains that if one is doing an action that is physically disconnected from where the melacha is occurring, it isn’t considered a psik reisha. Thus, Rav Schachter says that there’s what to rely on to permit walking in an area where there is a surveillance camera or a motion sensor which will turn on a light as long as one doesn’t have intent to be videoed or turn on the light.
This sheivet halevi is known, and considered a big chidush. Once it's something you benefit from that's a game changer. The common psak is to avoid known lights.
Cameras is an entirely different kettle of fish.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2018, 02:03:38 AM »
I might as well try again here...

Is there a way to program a camera system to shut off for 2 minutes an one random time each day or each week? Is there a outlet that can be programmed to shut off that way?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2018, 02:25:53 AM »
I might as well try again here...
You want random to avoid psik reisha? Why not set the system to not record on shabbos and turn off the monitor?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2018, 02:29:52 AM »
You want random to avoid psik reisha? Why not set the system to not record on shabbos and turn off the monitor?
they want it on 24/7

The monitor is off. On shabbos it records straight. Trying to find a way to get to shut off at a random time each week

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2018, 03:44:21 AM »
Hello All,
I recently got a Ring doorbell but realized today that even if I turn off the motion alerts, the device will still record motion and will turn on when someone approaches it.  The only way I can find to turn off the motion detection is by turning off all the zones for motion detection in the "motion zones" section of the app.  Does anyone know of any easier ways to turn off motion detection that would allow me to put it on a schedule rather than having to remember to turn it off every shabbos?  TIA
Even setting the ring on the scheduled ‘motion on/off’ setting, it still has glitches and will record randomly. When fully off it won’t record.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2018, 05:57:04 AM »
AYLOR.
My father told me ours said it doesn't have to be turned off cause you're running it to record potential robbers you don't care about the recordings of your family...
Before we asked we used a piece of duct tape - most of it covered not to be sticky - and just taped it from the back of the doorbell over the camera every Friday.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2018, 09:58:26 PM »
Isn't is just the motion detection that's a problem? If so, I see in the app that you can disable the sensor just like searchguy can with the nest hello:

I use the Nest Hello, and there is an option to schedule the camera on/off, which is cool for Shabbos, it works automatically, then you can turn schedule on and off when you are away for Shabbos
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2018, 10:15:20 PM »
Isn't is just the motion detection that's a problem? If so, I see in the app that you can disable the sensor just like searchguy can with the nest hello:

It still marks down the activity in the history log. Does that not matter?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2018, 04:32:09 AM »
Does the Ring siren automatically shut off after a certain amount of time? Where I live the break ins happen 99 percent on shabbos/Yom tov, so I don't want to disable it then.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2018, 05:32:07 AM »
... uh... pull out one of the batteries before shabbos, and you should be good :)
Or stick with the old wired door bell.
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