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Before you post, here are some quick notes about the ring (Updated August 2019), that have been discussed in this forum:

- More important that anything else - AYLOR before you buy as YMMV
- There are two types of Ring Doorbells - those that are battery powered (Doorbell/Doorbell 2/View Cam), and those that are hardwired (Pro/Pro Elite)
- Disabling the Wifi works to prevent recordings, and disabling motion zones won't alert you, but most people still think that ring will still be triggered on by motion
- There are many tools with modern Wi-fi routers - Circle, Google Wi-fi, etc that enable you to cut off your rings Wi-Fi on a schedule or manually
- If you have a hard-wired Ring, you can add a switch to the circuit to completely turn it off before Shabbos
- Some people have a manual switch, others have added a programmable relay.
- Other people cover the doorbell

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #150 on: August 06, 2019, 05:04:22 PM »
I've seen it, I think it's only in a low light situation.

Yes - as Dan, and the Reddit Article point out these are Infrared LEDs the help in low light situations.

However in this case, I would imagine that the trigger for the light isn't motion, it's darkness.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #151 on: August 06, 2019, 05:05:07 PM »
Are those on constantly at night / low light? Or only when motion triggers them?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #152 on: August 06, 2019, 07:37:22 PM »
I have a pro and I did notice the red lights at night. But even if it is motion activated, since it is of no benefit to me (it doesn't supply any meaningful light to humans, only to the camera lens), it would seemingly remain a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, and permitted according to most.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #153 on: August 06, 2019, 07:51:35 PM »
I have a pro and I did notice the red lights at night. But even if it is motion activated, since it is of no benefit to me (it doesn't supply any meaningful light to humans, only to the camera lens), it would seemingly remain a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, and permitted according to most.
If you have 2 equal options and 1 is a PRDN"L and 1 isn't, which should you choose?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #154 on: August 07, 2019, 10:25:18 AM »
If you have 2 equal options and 1 is a PRDN"L and 1 isn't, which should you choose?
its not an equal option, by having a kill switch you lose out on potential footage of a trespasser etc...

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #155 on: August 07, 2019, 11:37:44 AM »
its not an equal option, by having a kill switch you lose out on potential footage of a trespasser etc...

... but if you are capturing footage, and use it afterward, wouldn't that cross the boundary of Nicha Lei?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #156 on: August 07, 2019, 11:46:14 AM »
... but if you are capturing footage, and use it afterward, wouldn't that cross the boundary of Nicha Lei?
Capturing footage of what? Yourself? Not NL, Footage of a trespasser or the like? His triggering isnt your problem

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #157 on: August 07, 2019, 12:06:49 PM »
Capturing footage of what? Yourself? Not NL, Footage of a trespasser or the like? His triggering isnt your problem

My (simple am ha'aretz) impression of PRDLNL - is that I as the home owner, really don't care about any logging or video that might be triggered on shabbos or yom tov. If I start to care about it - i.e. I am worried about intruders - then the recording is Nicha Li.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #158 on: August 07, 2019, 12:17:12 PM »
then the recording is Nicha Li.

Regarding an Intruder, your action isnt triggering it, and the recordings of you walking in front of it are not NL, The recordings themselves are maybe a problem Mdrbanan, couple that with a PR most posekim will say its ok (IME)

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #159 on: August 12, 2019, 11:24:20 AM »
Does the ring pro have a battery backup? If it does - how does cutting the power help if the battery kicks in?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #160 on: August 12, 2019, 11:39:19 AM »
Does the ring pro have a battery backup? If it does - how does cutting the power help if the battery kicks in?
does not have

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #161 on: August 12, 2019, 12:08:56 PM »
does not have
It most certainly does as seen in the official video

Does the ring pro have a battery backup? If it does - how does cutting the power help if the battery kicks in?

The battery backup is wired into the bell assembly/transformer. When you install the cutoff, it needs to cutoff the battery as well. In the standard install you'd connect each battery wire to one of the two terminals on your bell, instead do this:

- Connect one of the two wires from the battery as shown
- For the second terminal, remove the existing wire and attach one side of your switch
- For the second side of your switch, attach the existing bell wire, and the other battery wire.

When your switch is on, they're all connected, and when its off there is no power and no battery.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #162 on: August 12, 2019, 01:38:18 PM »
ring is telling me there is no battery in there

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #163 on: August 12, 2019, 02:13:26 PM »
ring is telling me there is no battery in there

#FakeNews - clearly you (or they) didn't watch the video above (which is ring's official video)

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #164 on: August 12, 2019, 02:20:04 PM »
#FakeNews - clearly you (or they) didn't watch the video above (which is ring's official video)

hmmm... I was under the impression that the power kit had a battery - I could be mistaken.