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Before you post, here are some quick notes about the ring (Updated August 2019), that have been discussed in this forum:

- More important that anything else - AYLOR before you buy as YMMV
- There are two types of Ring Doorbells - those that are battery powered (Doorbell/Doorbell 2/View Cam), and those that are hardwired (Pro/Pro Elite)
- Disabling the Wifi works to prevent recordings, and disabling motion zones won't alert you, but most people still think that ring will still be triggered on by motion
- There are many tools with modern Wi-fi routers - Circle, Google Wi-fi, etc that enable you to cut off your rings Wi-Fi on a schedule or manually
- If you have a hard-wired Ring, you can add a switch to the circuit to completely turn it off before Shabbos
- Some people have a manual switch, others have added a programmable relay.
- Other people cover the doorbell

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #135 on: August 05, 2019, 10:35:31 AM »
I added some of the commonly repeated items/questions to the Wiki. Feel free to edit.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #136 on: August 05, 2019, 10:38:17 AM »
But it would be a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, since you get absolutely no benefit from the sequence, and it's probably a d'rabonon, so practically all poskim (that I know) would say it's not an issue. The only time there is a sheila is when you potentially derive benefit from a light or a recording.
Which by the same logic permit the ring to function as intended without any modification

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #137 on: August 05, 2019, 10:39:46 AM »
Which by the same logic permit the ring to function as intended without any modification
Indeed, but although some may prohibit when you can potentially derive benefit from a recording, in the case when it's a mere sequence, the reasoning applies according to many more lor's.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #138 on: August 05, 2019, 10:44:01 AM »
To clarify my sequence comment :
Regardless of what external display results, the very fact that the sensor noted a motion, sets in motion a programming sequence. Without wifi it may error out at the 'recording' stage, it may not display a light, but the circuits in the program have been set in motion.'
Depending on which shita in electricity shabbos in general, this can be an issue.


(a similar issue was raised by rabbi LY Halperin a"h in response to the kosher switch (which badly resembles his 1970s invention more than anything else))
When you turn off the wifi the motion is not recorded but the red lights still go on, which means that there is still some local sensor that is being triggered. However, when you kill the zones the red lights don't even go on, which to me implies that the sensor did not note a motion, no programming sequence is set in motion, and it is as if you covered the doorbell.

Are you disagreeing with that?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #139 on: August 05, 2019, 10:46:50 AM »
When you turn off the wifi the motion is not recorded but the red lights still go on, which means that there is still some local sensor that is being triggered. However, when you kill the zones the red lights don't even go on, which to me implies that the sensor did not note a motion, no programming sequence is set in motion, and it is as if you covered the doorbell.

Are you disagreeing with that?
I dont think youll find a posek that finds this problematic  There is absolutely no benefit to anyone for sensor lights to go on

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #140 on: August 05, 2019, 10:50:34 AM »
That doesn't mean they won't say it's preferable to kill the motion zones if that's an option.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #141 on: August 05, 2019, 10:52:34 AM »
That doesn't mean they won't say it's preferable to kill the motion zones if that's an option.
true, the same way a rav would say its "preferable" not use the Eiruv or be in Hawaii for Shabbos ;)

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #142 on: August 05, 2019, 12:23:48 PM »
Disabling the motion zones on the pro still triggers the sensor?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #143 on: August 05, 2019, 01:01:09 PM »
Disabling the motion zones on the pro still triggers the sensor?

From this site: https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us/articles/360022650691-Motion-Detection-in-Ring-Battery-Devices
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Note: While it is highly unlikely that your Ring device will still detect motion after disabling all zones, it is possible if your Ring device is mounted high or can see the area it is monitoring really well. You may want to consider getting a Wedge Kit to help angle the device down.

So it implies that the sensor is still 'on' when not detecting motion - notice they also have you set the detection frequency to 'min' and not 'off'.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #144 on: August 06, 2019, 03:41:47 PM »
@Dan if you have the Pro (and therefore no red lights), why install a kill switch instead of having your router turn off wifi to the device every Shabbos?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #145 on: August 06, 2019, 04:00:34 PM »
@Dan if you have the Pro (and therefore no red lights), why install a kill switch instead of having your router turn off wifi to the device every Shabbos?

When you turn off the wifi the motion is not recorded but the red lights still go on, which means that there is still some local sensor that is being triggered. However, when you kill the zones the red lights don't even go on, which to me implies that the sensor did not note a motion, no programming sequence is set in motion, and it is as if you covered the doorbell.

Are you disagreeing with that?

I dont think youll find a posek that finds this problematic  There is absolutely no benefit to anyone for sensor lights to go on

That doesn't mean they won't say it's preferable to kill the motion zones if that's an option.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #146 on: August 06, 2019, 04:02:30 PM »
Geshmak is referring to a Ring 2 which has red lights. The Pro has no red lights, so who says there is any local sensor being triggered?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #147 on: August 06, 2019, 04:05:13 PM »
Geshmak is referring to a Ring 2 which has red lights. The Pro has no red lights, so who says there is any local sensor being triggered?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ringdoorbell/comments/55jncm/three_red_lights/
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #148 on: August 06, 2019, 04:16:28 PM »
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ringdoorbell/comments/55jncm/three_red_lights/
Interesting, Iíve spoken to several people with Pros and none ever saw red lights.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #149 on: August 06, 2019, 04:16:52 PM »
Interesting, Iíve spoken to several people with Pros and none ever saw red lights.
I've seen it, I think it's only in a low light situation.
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