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Before you post, here are some quick notes about the ring (Updated August 2019), that have been discussed in this forum:

- More important that anything else - AYLOR before you buy as YMMV
- There are two types of Ring Doorbells - those that are battery powered (Doorbell/Doorbell 2/View Cam), and those that are hardwired (Pro/Pro Elite)
- Disabling the Wifi works to prevent recordings, and disabling motion zones won't alert you, but most people still think that ring will still be triggered on by motion
- There are many tools with modern Wi-fi routers - Circle, Google Wi-fi, etc that enable you to cut off your rings Wi-Fi on a schedule or manually
- If you have a hard-wired Ring, you can add a switch to the circuit to completely turn it off before Shabbos
- Some people have a manual switch, others have added a programmable relay.
- Other people cover the doorbell

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #140 on: August 05, 2019, 10:50:34 AM »
That doesn't mean they won't say it's preferable to kill the motion zones if that's an option.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #141 on: August 05, 2019, 10:52:34 AM »
That doesn't mean they won't say it's preferable to kill the motion zones if that's an option.
true, the same way a rav would say its "preferable" not use the Eiruv or be in Hawaii for Shabbos ;)

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #142 on: August 05, 2019, 12:23:48 PM »
Disabling the motion zones on the pro still triggers the sensor?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #143 on: August 05, 2019, 01:01:09 PM »
Disabling the motion zones on the pro still triggers the sensor?

From this site: https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us/articles/360022650691-Motion-Detection-in-Ring-Battery-Devices
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Note: While it is highly unlikely that your Ring device will still detect motion after disabling all zones, it is possible if your Ring device is mounted high or can see the area it is monitoring really well. You may want to consider getting a Wedge Kit to help angle the device down.

So it implies that the sensor is still 'on' when not detecting motion - notice they also have you set the detection frequency to 'min' and not 'off'.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #144 on: August 06, 2019, 03:41:47 PM »
@Dan if you have the Pro (and therefore no red lights), why install a kill switch instead of having your router turn off wifi to the device every Shabbos?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #145 on: August 06, 2019, 04:00:34 PM »
@Dan if you have the Pro (and therefore no red lights), why install a kill switch instead of having your router turn off wifi to the device every Shabbos?

When you turn off the wifi the motion is not recorded but the red lights still go on, which means that there is still some local sensor that is being triggered. However, when you kill the zones the red lights don't even go on, which to me implies that the sensor did not note a motion, no programming sequence is set in motion, and it is as if you covered the doorbell.

Are you disagreeing with that?

I dont think youll find a posek that finds this problematic  There is absolutely no benefit to anyone for sensor lights to go on

That doesn't mean they won't say it's preferable to kill the motion zones if that's an option.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #146 on: August 06, 2019, 04:02:30 PM »
Geshmak is referring to a Ring 2 which has red lights. The Pro has no red lights, so who says there is any local sensor being triggered?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #147 on: August 06, 2019, 04:05:13 PM »
Geshmak is referring to a Ring 2 which has red lights. The Pro has no red lights, so who says there is any local sensor being triggered?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #148 on: August 06, 2019, 04:16:28 PM »
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Interesting, Iíve spoken to several people with Pros and none ever saw red lights.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #149 on: August 06, 2019, 04:16:52 PM »
Interesting, Iíve spoken to several people with Pros and none ever saw red lights.
I've seen it, I think it's only in a low light situation.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #150 on: August 06, 2019, 05:04:22 PM »
I've seen it, I think it's only in a low light situation.

Yes - as Dan, and the Reddit Article point out these are Infrared LEDs the help in low light situations.

However in this case, I would imagine that the trigger for the light isn't motion, it's darkness.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #151 on: August 06, 2019, 05:05:07 PM »
Are those on constantly at night / low light? Or only when motion triggers them?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #152 on: August 06, 2019, 07:37:22 PM »
I have a pro and I did notice the red lights at night. But even if it is motion activated, since it is of no benefit to me (it doesn't supply any meaningful light to humans, only to the camera lens), it would seemingly remain a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, and permitted according to most.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #153 on: August 06, 2019, 07:51:35 PM »
I have a pro and I did notice the red lights at night. But even if it is motion activated, since it is of no benefit to me (it doesn't supply any meaningful light to humans, only to the camera lens), it would seemingly remain a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, and permitted according to most.
If you have 2 equal options and 1 is a PRDN"L and 1 isn't, which should you choose?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #154 on: August 07, 2019, 10:25:18 AM »
If you have 2 equal options and 1 is a PRDN"L and 1 isn't, which should you choose?
its not an equal option, by having a kill switch you lose out on potential footage of a trespasser etc...

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #155 on: August 07, 2019, 11:37:44 AM »
its not an equal option, by having a kill switch you lose out on potential footage of a trespasser etc...

... but if you are capturing footage, and use it afterward, wouldn't that cross the boundary of Nicha Lei?

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #156 on: August 07, 2019, 11:46:14 AM »
... but if you are capturing footage, and use it afterward, wouldn't that cross the boundary of Nicha Lei?
Capturing footage of what? Yourself? Not NL, Footage of a trespasser or the like? His triggering isnt your problem

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #157 on: August 07, 2019, 12:06:49 PM »
Capturing footage of what? Yourself? Not NL, Footage of a trespasser or the like? His triggering isnt your problem

My (simple am ha'aretz) impression of PRDLNL - is that I as the home owner, really don't care about any logging or video that might be triggered on shabbos or yom tov. If I start to care about it - i.e. I am worried about intruders - then the recording is Nicha Li.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #158 on: August 07, 2019, 12:17:12 PM »
then the recording is Nicha Li.

Regarding an Intruder, your action isnt triggering it, and the recordings of you walking in front of it are not NL, The recordings themselves are maybe a problem Mdrbanan, couple that with a PR most posekim will say its ok (IME)

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #159 on: August 12, 2019, 11:24:20 AM »
Does the ring pro have a battery backup? If it does - how does cutting the power help if the battery kicks in?