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Before you post, here are some quick notes about the ring (Updated August 2019), that have been discussed in this forum:

- More important that anything else - AYLOR before you buy as YMMV
- There are two types of Ring Doorbells - those that are battery powered (Doorbell/Doorbell 2/View Cam), and those that are hardwired (Pro/Pro Elite)
- Disabling the Wifi works to prevent recordings, and disabling motion zones won't alert you, but most people still think that ring will still be triggered on by motion
- There are many tools with modern Wi-fi routers - Circle, Google Wi-fi, etc that enable you to cut off your rings Wi-Fi on a schedule or manually
- If you have a hard-wired Ring, you can add a switch to the circuit to completely turn it off before Shabbos
- Some people have a manual switch, others have added a programmable relay.
- Other people cover the doorbell

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #240 on: September 14, 2023, 09:26:23 PM »
Just my experience: I have a Netgear router that is compatible with the "Circle" app. I made a profile on Circle just for that specific wifi device, and I disable the wifi on the Ring every Friday using the Circle app. That way the camera is not saving any recording and it's a Psik Reisha d'lo nicha lei (at worst).
it’s a psik reisha dlo nicha even if it is recording

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #241 on: September 14, 2023, 10:05:26 PM »
it’s a psik reisha dlo nicha even if it is recording
If it's lo nicha, why have it in the first place?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #242 on: September 14, 2023, 10:19:42 PM »
If it's lo nicha, why have it in the first place?
Is lo nicha for jews a thing?

ETA: It can also be lo nicha on Shabbos because you're not getting packages, visitors that are ringing the bell, etc.

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #243 on: September 14, 2023, 10:27:45 PM »
Is lo nicha for jews a thing?

ETA: It can also be lo nicha on Shabbos because you're not getting packages, visitors that are ringing the bell, etc.
I like seeing who is causing the motion to trigger during the week. We're saying it's lo nicha because its Shabbos so therefore I don't want it?

So let that same logic apply to the light in a fridge.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #244 on: September 14, 2023, 11:00:13 PM »
I'm thinking of getting a video doorbell. I have a wired connection but need a new transformer anyway. Instead of hard wiring it to the breaker box I'm thinking of maybe getting one that plugs in. This way I could plug it in to the outlet next to the breaker box using a smart plug which I could have go off at sunset every Fri and then go back on Sat night 1 hour after sunset. Would this work? Or do most video doorbells have a battery backup? I guess I'm basically looking for one that would be hardwired and specifically NOT have a battery backup. Any one ever do this?

This is the transformer I'm referring to that plugs in:
https://www.amazon.com/Transformer-Compatible-Doorbell-Thermostats-Certified/dp/B083R621RV/ref=sr_1_4_sspa?crid=20MNWRAZUTM9C&keywords=doorbell%2Btransformer&qid=1694714645&sprefix=doorbell%2Btrans%2Caps%2C651&sr=8-4-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1
I believe what your looking for is the Melacha Plug discussed a bit here.

I don't know about all but definitely lots of them would work only off power. I've seen the reolink one mentioned as the best bang for the buck (it comes with the adapter in the box and records to an SD card!).

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #245 on: November 17, 2023, 12:15:48 AM »
Looking for the correct thread, this seems closest to "wifi doorbell master thread". otherwise can someone point me to the correct thread?

looking to install a wireless doorbell, main point is to get notification/communication if someone rings while I'm not home. (not particularly concerned with motion detecting/video storage)

trying to compare models: Ring vs. Blink? (blink is cheaper)? are there others that compete? Wyze?
seems all can be wired into the existing doorbell system. are any able to run off that? or all need additional battery/power? which ones can be plugged in to normal plug (or other steady power supply)?
Do all need a subscription? or can any run basic notification without additional monthly fees?

on another note, aside from wiring into the existing 'chime', are any able to be wired into the existing 'unlock' wiring of an old-style intercom bell? or is that a whole separate system?
would this thread work, seems the closest to what your looking for. https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=93100.0

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #246 on: November 17, 2023, 12:19:01 AM »
would this thread work, seems the closest to what your looking for. https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=93100.0
Thanks. gonna move convo over to there

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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #247 on: May 23, 2024, 10:28:34 AM »
If it is shut off for Shabbos, does that mean it won’t function even as a regular doorbell?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #248 on: May 23, 2024, 02:34:34 PM »
If it is shut off for Shabbos, does that mean it won’t function even as a regular doorbell?
Yup
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #249 on: May 28, 2024, 01:19:57 PM »
I have a Shabbos shunt switch for my Ring Pro and my alarm system.

If the power is cut (both the transformer power as well as the battery backup) the doorbell won't work.
Does the Ring Pro also have a battery backup? If so, how do you cut of power from the battery?

After Shabbos, do you have to go back into the app and set up your zones again? Seems like something that could be annoying every week.
Does the Ring Pro need to be reprogrammed every week on MS?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #250 on: May 28, 2024, 01:23:25 PM »
Does the Ring Pro also have a battery backup? If so, how do you cut of power from the battery?
 Does the Ring Pro need to be reprogrammed every week on MS?
It doesn't have a backup battery. It doesn't need to be reprogrammed.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #251 on: May 28, 2024, 01:48:06 PM »
It doesn't have a backup battery. It doesn't need to be reprogrammed.
Thanks!
Not here on the top right? Also in Motion Settings. Maybe you need to update app or maybe it’s only on the Pro and you have a different version?
Is this an alternative to killing the power with a switch? Also, why have a physical switch instead of a smart switch or old-fashioned timer switch? Also, Can the same kill switch work with the Wired Nest (2nd gen)?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #252 on: May 28, 2024, 01:53:06 PM »
Also, why have a physical switch instead of a smart switch or old-fashioned timer switch?
Aka the melacha plug.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #253 on: May 28, 2024, 01:55:02 PM »
Also, why have a physical switch instead of a smart switch or old-fashioned timer switch?
Because that's what my alarm guy offered to install to kill the alarm and doorbell on demand. :)
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #254 on: May 28, 2024, 02:16:47 PM »
Because that's what my alarm guy offered to install to kill the alarm and doorbell on demand. :)
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Aside from being wired, do only specific models work with the kill switch (meaning they don't have a backup battery)? Ring seems to have revamped or renamed their line and there are three models that are wired; (1) Video Doorbell Wired, (2) Wired Doorbell Plus (Formerly: Video Doorbell Pro), (3) Wired Doorbell Pro (Wired Doorbell Pro (Formerly: Video Doorbell Pro 2).

How about the Google Nest Doorbell (Wired, 2nd Gen)?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #255 on: May 28, 2024, 06:54:04 PM »
Because that's what my alarm guy offered to install to kill the alarm and doorbell on demand. :)
You need to attach a relay with melacha plug, will make your life much easier.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #256 on: May 29, 2024, 05:15:07 PM »
If it's lo nicha, why have it in the first place?
Perhaps he meant that it is lo nicha for the person passing in front of the sensor—not that it is lo nicha for the homeowner. The argument doesn't explain the permissibility of the homeowner passing the sensor. I don't know if halachically that is considered lo nicha since the homeowner does not positively want a recording of him/herself, or it is considered nicha lei since they want the system to be recording.

Yup. You need to kill the zones or shut off power to the device.
I am have not used it yet but does "killing the zones" help even for the red light issue?
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #257 on: May 29, 2024, 11:26:41 PM »
Does the Nest wired have the same problem when turning of the sensors from within the app (sensor and red light remain on)? Nest has good reviews and doesn’t require a subscription.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #258 on: May 30, 2024, 08:44:21 PM »
Get a 24v transformer for the Ring Pro.
16v gave me issues.
Is the shunt switch and transformer the same thing? The electrician is unfamiliar with requiring this and I want to make sure we are on the same page. Thanks.
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Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
« Reply #259 on: September 27, 2024, 04:12:50 PM »
If it is shut off for Shabbos, does that mean it won’t function even as a regular doorbell?
Doesn't it have a backup battery in case of power failure?