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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2018, 06:21:45 PM »
There's no actual data in that link that backs up the use of any multiplier.
That was a recap, here’s the full study:
https://research.upjohn.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1037&context=up_technicalreports
And here’s a 7 multiplier study..
https://www.geekwire.com/2015/study-for-every-tech-geek-hired-in-washington-state-another-7-jobs-are-added/
You realize you're making my point, right? You yourself are saying that the talent is here already, and these companies are moving here to tap into the pool. If other tech companies come as well, that would then be because of the talent, not because of Amazon.
Nope, that doesn’t make any sense, tech companies attract talent the same way talent attract tech companies, Silicon Valley didn’t start out with the talent pool they have today, it builds over time, the talent for NYC to become the next Silicon Valley is not “here already”, Amazon definitely pushed it a step closer.
The discussion is whether NY is making a good deal here or not. If you're saying Bezos/Amazon would've come here anyway, then NY is throwing away taxpayer dollars on this deal.
It’s not binary, Amazon and NYC made a good deal yesterday.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2018, 12:27:56 AM »
That new socialist politician is saying it's terrible, so I tend to think it's actually a good thing, but I just wanted to get people's thoughts.
tucker Carlson agrees with her on his show
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2018, 12:50:06 AM »
tucker Carlson agrees with her on his show
There's a segment of the right that hates this kind of stuff (cut taxes instead of spending tax revenue on a specific company) and there's a segment of the left that hates it for other reasons (corporate greed, spend the revenue directly on social good, etc.).

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2018, 12:53:45 AM »
There's a segment of the right that hates this kind of stuff (cut taxes instead of spending tax revenue on a specific company) and there's a segment of the left that hates it for other reasons (corporate greed, spend the revenue directly on social good, etc.).
because heaven forbid should D’s and R’s agree about something for the same reason! ;)
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2018, 01:56:54 AM »
There's a segment of the right that hates this kind of stuff (cut taxes instead of spending tax revenue on a specific company)
Wait a minute now.. isn’t tax breaks/incentives a form of cutting taxes?

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2018, 11:33:01 AM »
Wait a minute now.. isn’t tax breaks/incentives a form of cutting taxes?
Not if the government is picking the winners and losers. There's also a question of what's more effective in promoting growth.

https://www.mercatus.org/publications/study-american-capitalism/opportunity-cost-corporate-welfare

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2018, 01:58:10 PM »
Not if the government is picking the winners and losers. There's also a question of what's more effective in promoting growth.

https://www.mercatus.org/publications/study-american-capitalism/opportunity-cost-corporate-welfare
Isn’t Amazon the one picking winners and losers here? And don’t they have the absolute right to do that? They auctioned off a proven successful product (i.e. Seattle, WA level of economic growth) to the highest value bidder, and NY won it.. how is that the “government picking winners and losers”?

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2018, 02:05:35 PM »
Isn’t Amazon the one picking winners and losers here? And don’t they have the absolute right to do that? They auctioned off a proven successful product (i.e. Seattle, WA level of economic growth) to the highest value bidder, and NY won it.. how is that the “government picking winners and losers”?
Your emoji use is quite puzzling.

Forget the term winners and losers. Is every business getting the same incentives/subsidies? If not, the government is picking and choosing. This is in contrast to something like cutting taxes across the board.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2018, 02:06:41 PM »
Isn’t Amazon the one picking winners and losers here? And don’t they have the absolute right to do that? They auctioned off a proven successful product (i.e. Seattle, WA level of economic growth) to the highest value bidder, and NY won it.. how is that the “government picking winners and losers”?
The point is that the government is giving benefits to select companies (i.e. effectively promoting some over others) hence "picking winners."

If tax breaks etc to businesses are good for the city they should be done across the board.  (tax cuts, not breaks for individuals.)

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2018, 02:14:01 PM »
Your emoji use is quite puzzling.

Forget the term winners and losers. Is every business getting the same incentives/subsidies? If not, the government is picking and choosing. This is in contrast to something like cutting taxes across the board.
The point is that the government is giving benefits to select companies (i.e. effectively promoting some over others) hence "picking winners."

If tax breaks etc to businesses are good for the city they should be done across the board.  (tax cuts, not breaks for individuals.)
Shouldn’t companies who provide greater value (I.e. billions in development investment/transforming a city, open tech incubators to lure in more tech activity, etc.) receive greater incentives/subsidies?

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2018, 02:20:35 PM »
Shouldn’t companies who provide greater value (I.e. billions in development investment/transforming a city, open tech incubators to lure in more tech activity, etc.) receive greater incentives/subsidies?
does that answer
how is that the “government picking winners and losers”?
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2018, 02:21:25 PM »
If other companies think they can create a bidding war to get incentives then let them.
Why is this any different than an employee shopping around for the best deal?
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2018, 02:24:53 PM »
If other companies think they can create a bidding war to get incentives then let them.
Why is this any different than an employee shopping around for the best deal?
Some would argue because Amazon is so rich, they don't deserve to get "the best deal"

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2018, 02:25:14 PM »
does that answer ?
When you pay 10% more for a bottle of milk that has 10% more milk vs a traditional bottle, did you pick/promote a winner?

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2018, 02:27:40 PM »
Some would argue because Amazon is so rich, they don't deserve to get "the best deal"
When you pay 10% more for a bottle of milk that has 10% more milk vs a traditional bottle, you’d argue that the milk seller doesn’t deserve that 10% more as well?