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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2018, 02:27:49 PM »
When you pay 10% more for a bottle of milk that has 10% more milk vs a traditional bottle, did you pick/promote a winner?
I don't want to waste too much more of anyone's time, so let me just ask this. Do you truly believe that your analogy is even remotely related to this discussion? Because if you do I can't imagine having a productive rational discussion with you on this topic.

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« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2018, 02:29:54 PM »
I don't want to waste too much more of anyone's time, so let me just ask this. Do you truly believe that your analogy is even remotely related to this discussion? Because if you do I can't imagine having a productive rational discussion with you on this topic.
I have a feeling that what irks you is the fact that Iím comparing tax dollars to you using your own money, am I right?

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2018, 02:31:18 PM »
When you pay 10% more for a bottle of milk that has 10% more milk vs a traditional bottle, did you pick/promote a winner?
If you take the extra 10% away from one dairy and give it to another to sell, then yes.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2018, 02:33:08 PM »
If you take the extra 10% away from one dairy and give it to another to sell, then yes.
Not following

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2018, 02:36:59 PM »
If other companies think they can create a bidding war to get incentives then let them.
Why is this any different than an employee shopping around for the best deal?
So you're saying it shouldn't be an even playing field, the government should be "picking winners," deciding which companies to promote?

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2018, 02:39:08 PM »
Not following
apparently neither am I, I think I misunderstood your analogy and now I have no idea what you were trying to say with it.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2018, 02:41:52 PM »
Some would argue because Amazon is so rich, they don't deserve to get "the best deal"
So because Bryce Harper makes too much he doesn't deserve the best deal?
It's a free market.
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2018, 02:42:55 PM »
It's a free market.
Not if the government is subsidizing some companies and not others.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2018, 02:43:07 PM »
So you're saying it shouldn't be an even playing field, the government should be "picking winners," deciding which companies to promote?
They're not picking winners or deciding who to promote.
They're deciding if it's worth entering into a bidding war to land a boatload of high-paying jobs.
If your city decides that it's not worth bidding then don't bid and another city will get those jobs.
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2018, 02:43:41 PM »
Not if the government is subsidizing some companies and not others.
If your company is important enough that there are hundreds of cities bidding for you to come, then you too can get tax incentives.
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2018, 02:56:06 PM »
Amazon is obviously a very extreme example, I'm talking about the general idea of giving breaks to specific companies while having high rates for other companies.
If tax breaks etc to businesses are good for the city they should be done across the board.  (tax cuts, not breaks for individuals.)

If your company is important enough that there are hundreds of cities bidding for you to come, then you too can get tax incentives.
So until "my" company gets big enough "I" should be paying higher taxes than "them?"

that seems to be putting me at a disadvantage. That sounds kinda like promoting one company over another, like picking winners.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2018, 02:57:57 PM »
Amazon is obviously a very extreme example, I'm talking about the general idea of giving breaks to specific companies while having high rates for other companies.So until "my" company gets big enough "I" should be paying higher taxes than "them?"

that seems to be putting me at a disadvantage. That sounds kinda like promoting one company over another, like picking winners.
Nobody is making you stay in a place with high taxes...you're a free agent just like anyone else.

But yes, a company that does more for the local economy has more clout than the little guy. Always been that way and always will be. It's not about picking winners, it's about the company's impact.
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2018, 03:15:09 PM »
I think we're going around in circles :)

But yes, a company that does more for the local economy has more clout than the little guy. Always been that way and always will be. It's not about picking winners, it's about the company's impact.
But bottom line, at the end of the day, one company is getting boosted by the government and one isn't.


If tax breaks etc to businesses are good for the city they should be done across the board.  (tax cuts, not breaks for individuals.)
What's the cumulative impact to the local economy of all the little guys getting/not getting the breaks the big boys get?

Bottom line I'm saying it's not exactly free market when some companies are getting tax breaks but not others.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #58 on: November 15, 2018, 03:24:14 PM »
What's the cumulative impact to the local economy of all the little guys getting/not getting the breaks the big boys get?
+1. This is what that link I posted earlier from Mercatus alludes to (Mercatus is essentially a free-market think tank). They argue that economic freedom correlates strongly with economic development (ie growth), and that targeted incentives detract from economic freedom.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2018, 03:25:16 PM »
I think we're going around in circles :)
That's what Just Shmooze is all about

shouldnt Just Shmooze be spelled Just Schmooze?

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