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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #90 on: February 14, 2019, 04:48:03 PM »
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This is similar to a mall giving a big discount to anchor stores to boost the rest of the property. NYC has been lagging in tech for quite some time and this was an oppotunity to catch up squandered.
That's actually the central question though. Should governments be operating like businesses or not.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #91 on: February 14, 2019, 04:48:42 PM »

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #92 on: February 14, 2019, 04:49:01 PM »
This argument is silliness. Yes, your state should have a competitive tax environment. But lowering rates to lure in a big fish isn't bad policy any more than offering a quantity discount on your product is bad policy. Bigger clients get bigger discounts, especially when they are openly shopping around.

Is that unfair to small business? Perhaps, but that small business isn't going to bring in tens of billions of dollars in tax revenue in one fell swoop.
while you have a point, there's a difference between offering a discount and taxing you because you made money.
The way it works here is
business is growing? pay more, getting better? pay even more (tax the rich), making even more? we will give you a discount to operate in NYC.

all these major tax incentives you hear is from the giant companies, while they scream tax the millionaires, BTW with a million dollars you could buy a condo not a house.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #93 on: February 14, 2019, 04:50:24 PM »
That's actually the central question though. Should governments be operating like businesses or not.
Governments go down when they stop operating like a business

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #94 on: February 14, 2019, 04:52:05 PM »
while you have a point, there's a difference between offering a discount and taxing you because you made money.
The way it works here is
business is growing? pay more, getting better? pay even more (tax the rich), making even more? we will give you a discount to operate in NYC.

all these major tax incentives you hear is from the giant companies, while they scream tax the millionaires, BTW with a million dollars you could buy a condo not a house.
It's all about negotiating power. Amazon has it and cities had to decide if they wanted to play that game.
Clearly most cities were willing to.
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #95 on: February 14, 2019, 04:52:13 PM »
Or?

Intel, Microsoft, Apple, AMD, HP, Dell to name a bunch are tech. Amazon.. I don't see how they fit in with those. AWS yes but not Amazon as a whole.
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #96 on: February 14, 2019, 04:54:41 PM »
This argument is silliness. Yes, your state should have a competitive tax environment. But lowering rates to lure in a big fish isn't bad policy any more than offering a quantity discount on your product is bad policy. Bigger clients get bigger discounts, especially when they are openly shopping around.

Is that unfair to small business? Perhaps, but that small business isn't going to bring in tens of billions of dollars in tax revenue in one fell swoop.
if this was a private businesses  giving incentives thats their own purview but this is a government giving subsides to a businesses  which basically undercuts any competition in the state and uses your tax dollars to do it and if they want to encourage more businesses they shouldn't have such a high tax rate in the first place

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #97 on: February 14, 2019, 04:57:02 PM »
if this was a private businesses  giving incentives thats their own purview but this is a government giving subsides to a businesses  which basically undercuts any competition in the state and uses your tax dollars to do it and if they want to encourage more businesses they shouldn't have such a high tax rate in the first place
Your tax dollars? It's a rebate of a small percentage of the additional tax dollars that HQ2 would bring in. They were never yours in the first place and now DC or BNA will get them.
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Amazon HQ2
« Reply #98 on: February 14, 2019, 04:57:47 PM »
Intel, Microsoft, Apple, AMD, HP, Dell to name a bunch are tech. Amazon.. I don't see how they fit in with those. AWS yes but not Amazon as a whole.
Amazon directly competes with Goggle, Microsoft, Apple, and Netflix between AWS, ads, video on demand, and home assistant..

Not only does Amazon fit with them but they compete and win on many fronts..

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #99 on: February 14, 2019, 04:58:24 PM »
Governments go down when they stop operating like a business
What does that even mean?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #100 on: February 14, 2019, 05:01:14 PM »
Your tax dollars? It's a rebate of a small percentage of the additional tax dollars that HQ2 would bring in. They were never yours in the first place and now DC or BNA will get them.
But that's still picking winners and losers, and government should be allowing everyone to compete fairly.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #101 on: February 14, 2019, 05:04:19 PM »
But that's still picking winners and losers, and government should be allowing everyone to compete fairly.
Why?
Everything else in life is based on negotiations and discounting based on economies of scale. Why would you expect that governments wouldn't compete to land a massive quantity of high paying jobs?
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #102 on: February 14, 2019, 05:07:52 PM »
What does that even mean?
Covering a State budget isnít a myth, itís an actual dollar amount they have to cover, local governments need to be creative on ways to sustain a healthy tax base, just like a business needs a healthy customer base.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #103 on: February 14, 2019, 05:10:23 PM »
Why?
Everything else in life is based on negotiations and discounting based on economies of scale. Why would you expect that governments wouldn't compete to land a massive quantity of high paying jobs?
The government shouldn't be in the business of creating jobs, it should be making sure not to get in the way of those who create jobs. One way to not get in the way of those who create jobs is to not pick winners and losers because they like one industry over another or because it looks good for them when running for re-election.
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #104 on: February 14, 2019, 05:12:16 PM »
The government shouldn't be in the business of creating jobs.
Through competing to land a big fish? Why not?
If your government won't plenty of others will.
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