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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #120 on: February 14, 2019, 08:06:11 PM »
Why is your personal parking needs more important than the hundreds of local struggling mom and pop shops? And how is your personal backyard preferences more important than our city and state budgets?
My personal parking needs aren't more important than the local residents. On the contrary. And knowing our politicians, this wouldn't improve the state and local budgets. If you think it would, I have a few bridges to sell you.
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #121 on: February 14, 2019, 08:14:57 PM »
My personal parking needs aren't more important than the local residents. On the contrary. And knowing our politicians, this wouldn't improve the state and local budgets. If you think it would, I have a few bridges to sell you.
I know our politicians as well, but how does knowing them make an increase in tax revenue by (minimum) $27 billion over 25 years in exchange of a one time $3 billion investment a bad thing? I don’t get it.

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« Reply #122 on: February 14, 2019, 08:28:19 PM »
I know our politicians as well, but how does knowing them make an increase in tax revenue by (minimum) $27 billion over 25 years in exchange of a one time $3 billion investment a bad thing? I don’t get it.
So you think a deal to increase the size of our government and hand Cuomo and DeBlasio extra revenue is a good thing?
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #123 on: February 14, 2019, 08:32:50 PM »
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« Reply #124 on: February 14, 2019, 08:35:56 PM »
So you think a deal to increase the size of our government and hand Cuomo and DeBlasio extra revenue is a good thing?
This is actually the best case scenario of how a government should work, namely, increase in tax revenue without hitting the little guy with higher taxes, it’s called economic growth, expanding the tax base, it’s a good thing, not a bad thing when everybody both the government and the citizen flourish.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #125 on: February 14, 2019, 08:48:55 PM »
This is actually the best case scenario of how a government should work, namely, increase in tax revenue without hitting the little guy with higher taxes, it’s called economic growth, expanding the tax base, it’s a good thing, not a bad thing when everybody both the government and the citizen flourish.

You know the thing about theory vs practice...
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« Reply #126 on: February 14, 2019, 08:58:14 PM »
You know the thing about theory vs practice...
Economic growth is no theory. It’s successfully practiced all around the globe.

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« Reply #127 on: February 14, 2019, 10:56:54 PM »
Economic growth is no theory. It’s successfully practiced all around the globe.

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You're missing his main point. The extra revenue would definitely have been wasted on frivolities. The average New York resident wouldn't have seen any benefit. Sad, but true.

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« Reply #128 on: February 14, 2019, 11:31:45 PM »
You're missing his main point. The extra revenue would definitely have been wasted on frivolities. The average New York resident wouldn't have seen any benefit. Sad, but true.
Untrue, very shortsighted.

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« Reply #129 on: February 14, 2019, 11:37:45 PM »
Untrue, very shortsighted.
Do you live in new York? Because I think most frum new York Jews (not living in a bubble) would agree with exgingi

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2019, 11:39:01 PM »
Nonsense. Amazon was going to get a deal no matter where it wound up and no matter what that state's policies. Because they're big, because they can, and because it's a worthy investment to land 25K 6 figure jobs.
No way it would be 25k 6 figure jobs. I could be wrong but I believe I read the average salary will be 150k. That could mean a whole lot of people making starting salaries for every executive stationed in NYC.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #131 on: February 14, 2019, 11:45:36 PM »
No way it would be 25k 6 figure jobs. I could be wrong but I believe I read the average salary will be 150k. That could mean a whole lot of people making starting salaries for every executive stationed in NYC.
Either way, pretty solid job creation opportunity

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« Reply #132 on: February 14, 2019, 11:45:58 PM »
Economic growth is no theory. It’s successfully practiced all around the globe.

But I’m done for now. See ya
True. Government spending is definitely part of the GDP formula. I guess that is the kind of growth you would like to see.

And BTW, I am sure you know what we call sudden uncontrolled cell growth.
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #133 on: February 14, 2019, 11:48:01 PM »
No way it would be 25k 6 figure jobs. I could be wrong but I believe I read the average salary will be 150k. That could mean a whole lot of people making starting salaries for every executive stationed in NYC.
Let’s count them.

150,000

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=6%20figures
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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #134 on: February 14, 2019, 11:48:03 PM »
True. Government spending is definitely part of the GDP formula. I guess that is the kind of growth you would like to see.

And BTW, I am sure you know what we call sudden uncontrolled cell growth.
Now we’re entering Purim territory.

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« Reply #135 on: February 14, 2019, 11:49:35 PM »
Do you live in new York? Because I think most frum new York Jews (not living in a bubble) would agree with exgingi
I do live in NY, and I am a frum Jew, not sure about the bubble part, and I actually know people in the real estate and construction business who were already negatively impacted by today’s decision.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #136 on: February 14, 2019, 11:55:09 PM »

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« Reply #137 on: February 15, 2019, 12:00:54 AM »
I do live in NY, and I am a frum Jew, not sure about the bubble part, and I actually know people in the real estate and construction business who were already negatively impacted by today’s decision.
I'm not disagreeing that it's a lost opportunity for New Yorkers looking for jobs and construction companies etc. I'm talking about extra tax revenue which would have been wasted on nonsense instead of alleviating the current financial burden on taxpayers which is continually increasing. It's not like they would have used the money for the city's aging infrastructure. They would've wasted it on something else and raised taxes again to cover new costs that would inevitably come from new programs.

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #138 on: February 15, 2019, 12:03:49 AM »
Either way, pretty solid job creation opportunity

Especially since amazons average salary is below 40k, iirc. These are legitimately high paying job even if, say, half of them are below 100k

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Re: Amazon HQ2
« Reply #139 on: February 15, 2019, 12:10:09 AM »
It's not like they would have used the money for the city's aging infrastructure. They would've wasted it on something else and raised taxes again to cover new costs that would inevitably come from new programs.

Or even if they would use its (gasp) to shore up the existing pension obligations (while making sure not to create new unsustainable pension obligations). But I put it beyond our politicians to take such a responsible move.
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