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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #615 on: December 06, 2020, 08:08:04 PM »
Many ppl would lease a $400/m model 3 over a $100/month ioniq
Not disagreeing, but that doesn't address the point that it leases horribly.

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #616 on: December 06, 2020, 08:10:03 PM »
Not disagreeing, but that doesn't address the point that it leases horribly.
50k Tesla 3 leases in NJ similarly to 50k bmw or Mercedes.

Of course not going to lease as good as a vehicle still getting 7k fed tax credit, but itís MSRP isnít as inflated as it was because of that.

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #617 on: December 06, 2020, 08:38:03 PM »
50k Tesla 3 leases in NJ similarly to 50k bmw or Mercedes.

Of course not going to lease as good as a vehicle still getting 7k fed tax credit, but itís MSRP isnít as inflated as it was because of that.
Not quite. Unless you get a really bad lease deal on those BMWs. $35k Tesla doesn't lease anywhere close to a $34k Ioniq. Right now, there's $14,000 incentives for that, so even taking out $7,500 from the tax credit, it's still not close. Besides that you can negotiate selling price of the Ioniq lower than MSRP by a couple of thousand. Residual is slightly better on the Tesla, but interest rate is also high. All those make it much more expensive to lease.

I'm not talking about if it's in the same league or not. It's not.

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #618 on: December 06, 2020, 10:02:09 PM »
Not quite. Unless you get a really bad lease deal on those BMWs. $35k Tesla doesn't lease anywhere close to a $34k Ioniq. Right now, there's $14,000 incentives for that, so even taking out $7,500 from the tax credit, it's still not close. Besides that you can negotiate selling price of the Ioniq lower than MSRP by a couple of thousand. Residual is slightly better on the Tesla, but interest rate is also high. All those make it much more expensive to lease.

I'm not talking about if it's in the same league or not. It's not.
You are saying it leases horribly because you can get an ioniq for 1/4 of the price. And he's simply saying that if you evaluate it based on a car of its caliber it leases just fine. An ioniq has nothing on a tesla. If it's not in the same league you can't use it as a comparison to say it leases horribly.
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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #619 on: December 06, 2020, 10:06:27 PM »
You are saying it leases horribly because you can get an ioniq for 1/4 of the price. And he's simply saying that if you evaluate it based on a car of its caliber it leases just fine. An ioniq has nothing on a tesla. If it's not in the same league you can't use it as a comparison to say it leases horribly.
It's the same MSRP. That all I'm saying. And it leases horribly. Can't change the facts.

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #620 on: December 06, 2020, 10:11:51 PM »
It's the same MSRP. That all I'm saying. And it leases horribly. Can't change the facts.
But they have very different 3 year residuals...

Perhaps the ioniq is just more overpriced?

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #621 on: December 06, 2020, 10:16:19 PM »
But they have very different 3 year residuals...

Perhaps the ioniq is just more overpriced?
The difference is that the Ioniq is made by a traditional car manufacturer that throws a bunch of incentives, plus lower interest rates, plus discounts on the purchase price as mentioned above. Tesla doesn't do that, so it doesn't lease well. That's all. I'm not comparing the 2 cars to each other. I'm comparing the similar MSRPs with vastly different lease prices.

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #622 on: December 06, 2020, 10:36:49 PM »
The difference is that the Ioniq is made by a traditional car manufacturer that throws a bunch of incentives, plus lower interest rates, plus discounts on the purchase price as mentioned above. Tesla doesn't do that, so it doesn't lease well. That's all. I'm not comparing the 2 cars to each other. I'm comparing the similar MSRPs with vastly different lease prices.
Bolt has a larger MSRP then the Ioniq for some reason

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #623 on: December 06, 2020, 10:36:58 PM »


The difference is that the Ioniq is made by a traditional car manufacturer that throws a bunch of incentives, plus lower interest rates, plus discounts on the purchase price as mentioned above.

The fact the the vehicle manufacturer does that shows that the MSRP is not actually what it is worth.
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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #624 on: December 06, 2020, 10:41:13 PM »

The fact the the vehicle manufacturer does that shows that the MSRP is not actually what it is worth.
Agreed, but that is what gets compared. The whole industry is like that. Then you have to figure out who gives bigger discounts, but that's on the individual dealers, and incentives and interest rates that change every month and are different in every market, etc.

Tesla is the only one that doesn't have that. Not saying it as a fault, just saying that it's very different.

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #625 on: December 06, 2020, 10:50:04 PM »
Bolt has a larger MSRP then the Ioniq for some reason
Perhaps bc it has better  range and performance?

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #626 on: December 06, 2020, 10:51:12 PM »
Perhaps bc it has better  range and performance?
Ioniq seems much bigger though

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #627 on: December 06, 2020, 10:53:48 PM »
Ioniq seems much bigger though
Itís a foot longer, sure. But not bigger  in terms of usable space bc of bolts weird shape. Similar interior room and trunk space.

But much worse range and ev performance.

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #628 on: December 06, 2020, 10:55:56 PM »
Itís a foot longer, sure. But not bigger  in terms of usable space bc of bolts weird shape. Similar interior room and trunk space.

But much worse range and ev performance.
I've never tested the Ioniq, but I'm in love with the Bolt's performance. I assumed the Ioniq was about the same

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Re: Dan's Tesla Thread
« Reply #629 on: December 06, 2020, 10:58:40 PM »
Itís a foot longer, sure. But not bigger  in terms of usable space bc of bolts weird shape. Similar interior room and trunk space.

But much worse range and ev performance.
Not quite. Bolt has better performance and better range. Ionic is significantly wider and longer and is much more practical as a small family second car. The bolt is too small to be anything more than a one person car. Ioniq is also more comfortable and has more features thrown in as part for the course for Hyundai.