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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #260 on: November 20, 2018, 01:08:24 AM »
They met with him and gave him a photo op. They will be happy to leverage whatever positive publicity they can get these days, especially through a organization “representing” Orthodox Judaism.
I obviously don’t think that internally they take him seriously, they are just using him cynically and he is happy to play the fool. Also I don’t think a majority of people take him seriously, however we are dealing with a demographic that has a decent chunk of people with a tendency to blindly rely on “askanim” to guide them in matters which they don’t fully understand.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #261 on: November 20, 2018, 01:54:56 AM »
Israeli public broadcast channel 11 played the ATC recordings last night that sound 100% like they were ripped off from DD or from someone else that that ripped them off DD. The level of journalism is very low, the objective reporting is nowhere near as good as Dan's and the entire article is speculative. I guess that is the media these days.

Here is a link to Bechadri that has the excerpt of the news last night from channel 11: http://www.bhol.co.il/news/954757

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #262 on: November 20, 2018, 06:05:23 AM »

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #263 on: November 20, 2018, 08:37:33 AM »
the legal brief filing the lawsuit in hebrew
https://www.kikar.co.il/297526.html

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #265 on: November 20, 2018, 10:07:26 AM »
UA cancelled their Thursday night flight after religious pax asked to get off the plane.
Interesting, i heard from a passenger that was on board that they cancelled due to the fact the the crew would have exceeded their max allowed shift time has they taken off.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #266 on: November 20, 2018, 10:17:46 AM »
Omg. Fake news exposed

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1626329/fake-news-exposed-watch-how-channel-10-in-israel-changed-video-of-el-al-passengers-singing-to-screaming.html

No surprise. If all journalist are inherent liars, Israeli journalists take it to a different level. I once had a journalist who wanted to interview me, and when I refused saying that I won't grant him an interview because he's a liar, he was initially offended. I explained that it's nothing personal against him, and that he's more than welcome to come to my house and spend Shabbos with us, but once it comes to his occupation, I don't trust him one iota.

Whenever reading or listening to Israeli media, one needs to be aware that at least 95% is a construct of the writer's imagination.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #267 on: November 20, 2018, 10:20:28 AM »
He also changed his post

https://onemileatatime.com/el-al-captain-tricked-passengers/

Surprised TPG hasnt mentioned this incident at all
« Last Edit: November 20, 2018, 10:26:18 AM by zagguru »

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #268 on: November 20, 2018, 10:35:54 AM »
No surprise. If all journalist are inherent liars, Israeli journalists take it to a different level. I once had a journalist who wanted to interview me, and when I refused saying that I won't grant him an interview because he's a liar, he was initially offended. I explained that it's nothing personal against him, and that he's more than welcome to come to my house and spend Shabbos with us, but once it comes to his occupation, I don't trust him one iota.

Whenever reading or listening to Israeli media, one needs to be aware that at least 95% is a construct of the writer's imagination.
So who do we believe? Do we believe the reporter on the fight?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #269 on: November 20, 2018, 10:44:07 AM »
So who do we believe? Do we believe the reporter on the fight?

You don't have to believe anyone, if you care about the story, just try to construct it yourself in your own imagination based on bits and pieces you read and filter.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #271 on: November 20, 2018, 11:20:41 AM »
You don't have to believe anyone, if you care about the story, just try to construct it yourself in your own imagination based on bits and pieces you read and filter.
That's the problem. With little knowledge that I have I come to the conclusion there is no way that 180 religious individuals would take missing Shabbos sitting down. I also come to the conclusion that ElAl would make sure that plane took off.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #272 on: November 20, 2018, 11:24:08 AM »
That's the problem. With little knowledge that I have I come to the conclusion there is no way that 180 religious individuals would take missing Shabbos sitting down. I also come to the conclusion that ElAl would make sure that plane took off.
Chillul shabbos =/= missing shabbos.
Making sure you mean chillul (disgrace/violate) not simply miss.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #273 on: November 20, 2018, 11:27:50 AM »
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5408617,00.html

Attention @ChaimMoskowitz
I fully understand this.
Chillul shabbos =/= missing shabbos.
Making sure you mean chillul (disgrace/violate) not simply miss.
I understand what it means to you and most here. You need to understand what it means to me and most that are not on this forum. We can both have our positions while respecting each other.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #274 on: November 20, 2018, 11:30:24 AM »
I fully understand this. I understand what it means to you and most here. You need to understand what it means to mean and most that are not on this forum. We can both have our positions while respecting each other.
I was NOT making sure you understand the significance, just clarifying what you mean when you say missing.
Missing your flight and staying in NY can be called missing.
Desecrating is another thing, how it plays a role here is another thing, just saying they are different.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #275 on: November 20, 2018, 11:33:45 AM »
I fully understand this. I understand what it means to you and most here. You need to understand what it means to me and most that are not on this forum. We can both have our positions while respecting each other.

Kindly elaborate on that. What does it mean to you and most that are not on this forum?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #276 on: November 20, 2018, 11:34:41 AM »
Sitting on the sidelines and observing the back and forth, I have one respectful request for @ChaimMoskowitz to please stay out of this, it's something that you can't understand and will NEVER understand, it's not in your blood, you can live another 200 years and you'll never grasp it. And in my opinion you should not have an opinion in this matter, same as I don't have an opinion when it comes to rocket science, there is sometimes one must say or think that they are not well versed in a certain subject or matter so they have to sit on the side and watch.

I really mean it in a respectful way, no offense please.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #277 on: November 20, 2018, 11:38:07 AM »
Kindly elaborate on that. What does it mean to you and most that are not on this forum?
Let me explain it as a Catholic. It would be like missing Sunday mass. That probably will not help you at all.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #278 on: November 20, 2018, 11:40:31 AM »
Sitting on the sidelines and observing the back and forth, I have one respectful request for @ChaimMoskowitz to please stay out of this, it's something that you can't understand and will NEVER understand, it's not in your blood, you can live another 200 years and you'll never grasp it. And in my opinion you should not have an opinion in this matter, same as I don't have an opinion when it comes to rocket science, there is sometimes one must say or think that they are not well versed in a certain subject or matter so they have to sit on the side and watch.

I really mean it in a respectful way, no offense please.
No offense taking.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #279 on: November 20, 2018, 11:43:27 AM »
Let me explain it as a Catholic. It would be like missing Sunday mass. That probably will not help you at all.

Unless I am totally off, if that is the way you see it, then indeed you don't get it, which is what many (myself included) have been saying, that a non Shomer Shabbos cannot begin to appreciate it.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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