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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #300 on: November 20, 2018, 03:24:41 PM »
Nobody was forced to board that flight. The tarmac delay was within the legal limit.
What makes you say that? the boarding was at 8 something and the flight only took off at 11:45pm that means it exceeded 3 hours.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #301 on: November 20, 2018, 03:28:53 PM »
What makes you say that? the boarding was at 8 something and the flight only took off at 11:45pm that means it exceeded 3 hours.
IIRC it was stated earlier it has to be 4 hours but I could be wrong.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #302 on: November 20, 2018, 03:35:38 PM »
YWN rips off the ATC audio that @Chaikel spliced together for DansDeals and reuploads it with their own copyright on it and then Lucky links to their video.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ItgxrbnCuJE
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #304 on: November 20, 2018, 03:37:47 PM »
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #305 on: November 20, 2018, 03:38:45 PM »
Lucky never updated his video link. Dead now though.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #306 on: November 20, 2018, 03:38:54 PM »
Nobody was forced to board that flight. The tarmac delay was within the legal limit.

I was being facetious.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #307 on: November 20, 2018, 03:39:34 PM »
IIRC it was stated earlier it has to be 4 hours but I could be wrong.
I see you are  right, for International flights it's 4 hours. Although with Elal we never really know if it will be International....
It still may have been 4 hours for some of the people boarding at least.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #309 on: November 20, 2018, 03:48:28 PM »
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #310 on: November 20, 2018, 03:49:24 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ItgxrbnCuJE

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #311 on: November 20, 2018, 03:59:35 PM »

Just to make noise so Elal apologizes and give some hush money

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #312 on: November 20, 2018, 04:02:08 PM »
Lucky never updated his video link. Dead now though.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #314 on: November 20, 2018, 04:13:12 PM »
With all the information coming out, one question keeps coming back to my mind: What did Rabbi Sorotzkin publicly announce, at what point did he do that, and based on what information/halachic ruling?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #315 on: November 20, 2018, 04:21:18 PM »
With all the information coming out, one question keeps coming back to my mind: What did Rabbi Sorotzkin publicly announce, at what point did he do that, and based on what information/halachic ruling?
Shame nobody seems to have audio of it.
The pilot apparently told him they would get to Israel 90 minutes before sunset and he promised Shabbos hospitality in his yeshiva.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #316 on: November 20, 2018, 04:29:50 PM »
Shame nobody seems to have audio of it.
The pilot apparently told him they would get to Israel 90 minutes before sunset and he promised Shabbos hospitality in his yeshiva.

As I've said before, I am positive that Rabbi Sorotzkin did what he thought was the best thing at that moment, however with the benefit of hindsight vision was that indeed a responsible thing to do?

At what point was the "getting to Israel 90 minutes before sunset" statement made? Before leaving the gate? On the way to the runway? When the captain asked everyone to sit down in order to get back to the gate (not likely as that is contradictory)?

Can we get to the bottom of what happened there, and maybe even try to get Rabbi Sorotzkin's take on what happened? Rabbi Sorotzkin is a seasoned traveler (I've been in the same cabin with him in the past, and he definitely flies way more often than I do) and should be well aware of things that can go wrong. I would presume that anyone that knows of him would give a lot of credence to his judgment in such a scenario.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #317 on: November 20, 2018, 04:30:52 PM »
Anyone have his contact info?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #318 on: November 20, 2018, 04:33:00 PM »
Was there any chance that ElAl would allow the plane to be in the air over Shabbos?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #319 on: November 20, 2018, 04:34:25 PM »
Was there any chance that ElAl would allow the plane to be in the air over Shabbos?

Not sure what you are asking, but LY008 was in the air and landed during Shabbos (for a legitimate reason, though taking off in the first place might not have been legitimate).
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