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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #461 on: November 26, 2018, 09:26:30 PM »
Unless Rav sorotkin is getting additional compensation not reported, I fail to see how elal satisfied hix demands, unless he has no other travel options that work for him.
Doubt he cares about an apology, he probably only wanted attention for asking for it
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #462 on: November 27, 2018, 02:29:00 AM »

As a son-in-law of someone in the Satmar community who has paid for some of RSBS tickets:


1) He flies with what he gets from whoever pays for the ticket. He is not loyal to any airline.
2) He is a current 1K.
3) He hates Delta.
4) His favorite flights are the Motzai Shabbos from TLV, and the Thursday 4ish from Newark (United).
5) He's really mad about this. Though he knows as well as all that no boycott is coming, he is trying to turn this political. He's thoroughly pissed at Gafni for not showing up. Though I don't get what he was thinking - an MK can only really fly ELAL on taxpayer money!
Just being a yenta, what does he do that he flies so much? I thought he's a rosh yeshiva? apparently he was back in the states a few days later, and he flies tens of times yearly, and people pay full far J tickets to fly him here.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #463 on: November 27, 2018, 02:53:30 AM »
Just being a yenta, what does he do that he flies so much? I thought he's a rosh yeshiva? apparently he was back in the states a few days later, and he flies tens of times yearly, and people pay full far J tickets to fly him here.
He runs one of worlds largest network of kollelim and yeshivos (possibly the biggest). He raises many millions annually.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #464 on: November 27, 2018, 03:01:36 AM »
He runs one of worlds largest network of kollelim and yeshivos (possibly the biggest). He raises many millions annually.
thanks, definitely seems that way. was trying to figure out the Satmar connection. Amazing for a relatively young seeming fellow.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #466 on: November 27, 2018, 09:54:03 AM »
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-el-al-s-big-fat-greek-mistake-1.6695413 definitely read DDMS :)
To bad more blogs don't report this part "passengers who were concerned over desecrating the Sabbath". It would give non-Jews a better understanding. 
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #467 on: November 29, 2018, 10:27:49 AM »
Stick a fork in this one until the next time?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #468 on: November 29, 2018, 10:40:08 AM »
Stick a fork in this one until the next time?
You have any other suggestions?  :)

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #469 on: November 29, 2018, 10:47:53 AM »
You have any other suggestions?  :)
A real boycott. What percent of their passengers are religious Jews?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #470 on: November 29, 2018, 10:53:47 AM »
A real boycott. What percent of their passengers are religious Jews?
Estimates circulated say about 20%, though on NYC and LHR routes it might be higher.

That being said, I think turning this into a "religious" issue is a mistake. The problem is their culture of disdain towards their paying customers, and absolute Israeli arrogance.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #471 on: November 29, 2018, 10:57:28 AM »
Estimates circulated say about 20%, though on NYC and LHR routes it might be higher.

That being said, I think turning this into a "religious" issue is a mistake. The problem is their culture of disdain towards their paying customers, and absolute Israeli arrogance.
OK I was under the impression they treat the religious passengers worse.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #473 on: November 29, 2018, 12:04:33 PM »
OK I was under the impression they treat the religious passengers worse.

That might be true, as I have never flown with them as a "non-religious" person. However, if you get rid of all the noise, and look just at the facts of the most recent incident, you will realize that they were equally disrespectful towards ALL passengers. It's a shame that this was allowed to become a Shomer Shabbos vs. non-Shomer Shabbos issue, when in reality the story is a story of an Airline's total disrespect for its paying customers, regardless of which box you want to put those customers into, if you are so inclined.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #474 on: November 29, 2018, 06:58:10 PM »
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #475 on: December 04, 2018, 12:01:57 PM »
thanks, definitely seems that way. was trying to figure out the Satmar connection. Amazing for a relatively young seeming fellow.

He's the kind of guy that Gvirim seek appointments with. A league of his own no fundraiser ever got to.


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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #477 on: December 05, 2018, 05:08:36 PM »
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #478 on: December 05, 2018, 05:40:14 PM »
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #479 on: December 07, 2018, 08:42:08 AM »
El Al passengers stranded in Ukraine

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/255857

El Al passengers on Flight 2652 that was scheduled to take off Friday from Boryspil in Kiev to Ben Gurion Airport was delayed because of a technical problem.

As a result, the passengers will remain in a hotel in the Ukraine until Shabbat ends.

The flight was supposed to take off at 10:45 local time.

The passengers boarded the plane after a delay but as it taxied on the runway, a second malfunction became apparent and the takeoff was cancelled.

The passengers were asked to disembark. El Al apologized and said it would provide them with accommodations in Kiev.