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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2018, 10:39:42 PM »
To a reasonable/fair person it would.
After the fact, yes, but in the heat of the moment, probably not. Plus, there is animosity towards chareidim (especially in Israel), partially from feelings of religious coercion. (Warranted or not)

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2018, 11:07:51 PM »
Any confirmation of the pilot saying if they chareidim would sit he would go back to the gate?


There where 2 reporters on the flight. These articles qoute there FB post
http://m.ch10.co.il/news/469493/#.W_Dk9JBOk0N
http://www.kolhazman.co.il/350852
http://www.kolhazman.co.il/350862

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2018, 11:42:18 PM »
El Al isn't allowed to fly on shabbos. Nothing to do with the from passengers on this flight.
If no one in the flight would say anything about Shabbos, they can land on the minute of sunset.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #63 on: November 17, 2018, 11:46:45 PM »
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לכל זה התווספו גם מקרים מורכבים, כמו אישה חרדית שהארון קבורה של בעלה מוטס איתנו, ואם יגיע לארץ בשבת חברת קדישא לא תוכל לאסוף את הארון;

This is an excerpt from a social media post by an ELAl Stewardess who was on the plane. Wow. That really sucks.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2018, 11:56:21 PM »

To a reasonable/fair person it would.
The environment and emotions seem totally foreign to you.

The most likely result would be more anger and animosity that these people, through their political (never mind that it is also free-market economical) power, were able to bring the national carrier (and government) down on their knees, to agree to such terms.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2018, 12:05:56 AM »
The environment and emotions seem totally foreign to you.

The most likely result would be more anger and animosity that these people, through their political (never mind that it is also free-market economical) power, were able to bring the national carrier (and government) down on their knees, to agree to such terms.
For some reason I get this a lot. Maybe I should read up on how Menachem Begin got the vote to pass to better understand?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2018, 12:22:34 AM »
He didn't hold back.
It was harsher. My wife had me tone the title and other parts down before publishing.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2018, 12:27:22 AM »
It was harsher. My wife had me tone the title and other parts down before publishing.
Feel free to PM me the original title.  :)
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #70 on: November 18, 2018, 12:46:27 AM »
It was harsher. My wife had me tone the title and other parts down before publishing.
But she didn't force you to have it proofread. Allowing some mistakes through.

In any event, do you think that if all Rabinical organizations would issue a ruling saying that it is forbidden to fly (transatlantic only?) on ELAL flights scheduled to land on Friday (or Erev Yomtov), it might make those flights uneconomical for ELAL?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #71 on: November 18, 2018, 12:49:22 AM »
But she didn't force you to have it proofread. Allowing some mistakes through.

In any event, do you think that if all Rabinical organizations would issue a ruling saying that it is forbidden to fly (transatlantic only?) on ELAL flights scheduled to land on Friday (or Erev Yomtov), it might make those flights uneconomical for ELAL?
IMO LY can deal with some flights not having religious passengers, the only reason the don't "officially" operate on Shabbos is because a total boycott of the religious, and that won't be worth it economically.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #72 on: November 18, 2018, 12:49:31 AM »
It was harsher. My wife had me tone the title and other parts down before publishing.

You know what.... I doesn't matter toning it down doesn't seem to be working.... I would say that shocking some people may be a good idea at this point...

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El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #73 on: November 18, 2018, 12:55:16 AM »
IMO LY can deal with some flights not having religious passengers, the only reason the don't "officially" operate on Shabbos is because a total boycott of the religious, and that won't be worth it economically.
They definitely do, as they fly on Motzoei Shabbos from EWR at times when it's impossible to make that flight without being mechallel Shabbos. (You might enjoy this where the transportation minister suggests that if there was an Eruv people could start walking to the airport on Shabbos).

But if half the passengers flying on a Thursday would no longer do so (or even if it's 25%) they might consider redoing their schedule.
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El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #75 on: November 18, 2018, 01:04:23 AM »
You know what.... I doesn't matter toning it down doesn't seem to be working.... I would say that shocking some people may be a good idea at this point...
+1

As long as it puts the facts the way they are (that ELAL doesn't care about Shabbos, and doesn't respect their paying customers, especially if they appear "chareidi"), and faults Shomrei Shabbos for booking/boarding those flights except in cases of true emergency.

On that note, while I am sure Rabbi Sorotzkin's intentions were good, wouldn't he have done better calling on everyone NOT TO BOARD THE FLIGHT, rather than taking steps to ensure that everyone can be accommodated for Shabbos wherever the plane might land?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #76 on: November 18, 2018, 01:32:17 AM »
It took 90 minutes until we finally hit the first drivel comment that I won't bother publishing. Not bad considering the post content.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #77 on: November 18, 2018, 01:37:52 AM »
It took 90 minutes until we finally hit the first drivel comment that I won't bother publishing. Not bad considering the post content.


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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2018, 01:52:04 AM »
What's the reason so many fly ElAl?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2018, 01:57:50 AM »
What's the reason so many fly ElAl?
1) It "feels" Jewish/Israeli, they speak Hebrew etc.
2) People think they have better security.
3) They have the most direct flights
4) A lot of times they're the cheapest.