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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #285 on: November 20, 2018, 11:59:29 AM »
What you are missing with your question is in the premise of "most important thing". Keeping Shabbos isn't a "most important thing", it is part of who I am!

If you were to say that you understand that violating Shabbos would be equivalent to having your hand chopped off, then maybe I'd say you're starting to grasp things. But as long as you are referring to something that's outside of your actual being, then you don't get it.
You refuse to accept that I understand. There is nothing I can say that will change your mind.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #286 on: November 20, 2018, 12:04:32 PM »
You refuse to accept that I understand. There is nothing I can say that will change your mind.
You are misunderstanding me. I am trying to understand to what extent you get it. It was you who said that to ChaimMoskowitz and most off this forum desecrating Shabbos is like missing Sunday Mass for a Catholic. See my edit above.

Maybe after you install the surveillance system in and around my house and come for a visit, I will fully grasp what you understand.  Though I will only allow installation of a system that is certified as Shabbos Compliant.:P
« Last Edit: November 20, 2018, 12:07:42 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #287 on: November 20, 2018, 12:16:18 PM »
You are misunderstanding me. I am trying to understand to what extent you get it. It was you who said that to ChaimMoskowitz and most off this forum desecrating Shabbos is like missing Sunday Mass for a Catholic.
Man do we need this DO!!!

I guess we have a culture barrier. You are confusing the way I look at Shabbos with the way I understand what it means to you. Those are two totally separate things.

I believe to you it means everything. There is no discussion of you missing Shabbos because that is not an option. As you have stated Shabbos is part of you.

Now as far as a Catholic missing Sunday mass. AFAIK my mother never missed Sunday mass in her lifetime expect when she was incapacited. On some of those occassions a priest came to the house/hospital to give her Commuion. So your remark was really disrespectful but I did not take it that way since you are not aware what Caholic mass on Sunday means to some Catholics.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #288 on: November 20, 2018, 12:32:12 PM »
Man do we need this DO!!!

Just as soon as you have the Shabbos compliant surveillance system installed, we can have it scheduled.



I guess we have a culture barrier. You are confusing the way I look at Shabbos with the way I understand what it means to you. Those are two totally separate things.

I believe to you it means everything. There is no discussion of you missing Shabbos because that is not an option. As you have stated Shabbos is part of you.

Now as far as a Catholic missing Sunday mass. AFAIK my mother never missed Sunday mass in her lifetime expect when she was incapacited. On some of those occassions a priest came to the house/hospital to give her Commuion. So your remark was really disrespectful but I did not take it that way since you are not aware what Caholic mass on Sunday means to some Catholics.
I apologize. I definitely didn't mean it in a disrespectful way.

Davening with a Minyan is extremely important, and some people never miss it, and would forgo many things in order not to have to miss it. But even for such people, that's not the same as Shabbos. It is extremely important to me, but I can't say I never miss it.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #289 on: November 20, 2018, 12:40:06 PM »
I apologize. I definitely didn't mean it in a disrespectful way.
No need to as I know you didn't mean any disrespect.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #290 on: November 20, 2018, 12:59:23 PM »
Let me explain it as a Catholic. It would be like missing Sunday mass. That probably will not help you at all.
It's probably more like for a Franciscan friar to miss Sunday mass or eat meat on Good Friday. It's both an active act and not just missing something which is passive

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #291 on: November 20, 2018, 01:10:27 PM »
It's probably more like for a Franciscan friar to miss Sunday mass or eat meat on Good Friday. It's both an active act and not just missing something which is passive
Seems like you get it.  :)
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #293 on: November 20, 2018, 01:33:33 PM »
https://onemileatatime.com/el-al-shabbat-lawsuit/
I have no idea what possible grounds they could have to sue.

If anything the non religious passangers who had to wait in Athens for Israir to pick up have more grounds to sue!

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #294 on: November 20, 2018, 01:35:42 PM »
I have no idea what possible grounds they could have to sue.

If anything the non religious passangers who had to wait in Athens for Israir to pick up have more grounds to sue!


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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #296 on: November 20, 2018, 02:39:30 PM »
I have no idea what possible grounds they could have to sue.

libel?
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #297 on: November 20, 2018, 02:56:04 PM »
libel?

While you're at it, add נזק צער ריפוי שבת ובושת
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #298 on: November 20, 2018, 03:17:07 PM »
libel?
Doubtful as I don't think any specific person could show that he or she lost as a result.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #299 on: November 20, 2018, 03:17:42 PM »
While you're at it, add נזק צער ריפוי שבת ובושת
Nobody was forced to board that flight. The tarmac delay was within the legal limit.