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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #440 on: November 25, 2018, 03:37:38 PM »

He got pissed when "Delta upstairs" disappeared. IIRC they changed planes a couple of years ago.
So it's all about the 747?


They made him get on the mike to say all will be well, they turned off the screen when he pointed out it's landing an hour later than what they had him say. He's livid.
"They made him"??? What did they do? Hold a gun to his head or threaten to take away his Platinum status?

I hate to say it, but I think he's expressing anger at ELAL when the actual frustration might be with his own actions, which were well intentioned but not well thought through. He really wanted to get to Eretz Yisroel for Shabbos, and wasn't thinking things through, both on his own private level, and more so when he made public statements.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #441 on: November 25, 2018, 03:38:03 PM »
Was there not an instance where El Al blamed a delay on religious men for not sitting next to women when it turned out the delay was actually El Al's fault?
There have also been times when they have delayed flights.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #442 on: November 25, 2018, 03:45:20 PM »
There have also been times when they have delayed flights.
I'll give you a minute to see if you can figure out the difference between individuals behaving like jerks and a company tarring an entire group with the jerk brush to cover their incompetence.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #443 on: November 25, 2018, 04:10:11 PM »
He actually sits "downstairs" on El Al, as he most often sits in F (either purchases F or gets upgrade from J)

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #444 on: November 25, 2018, 04:33:59 PM »
And apparently it wasn't even his membership card but a luggage tag.

It was his actual FF card. I saw the picture. He's a Top Platinum which requires MUCH more flying than UA 1k requires.

Actually looked like one of his TP luggage tags (with the hole on the right side)  ;D
+1 saw it too (see attached)

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #445 on: November 25, 2018, 04:35:46 PM »
What difference does it make at this point?
No difference.
Since when does it have to make a difference to argue here :P

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #446 on: November 25, 2018, 05:08:22 PM »
The originators of fake news before fake news was cool.
The Israeli media has been doing this far longer and far more blatantly than US MSM.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #447 on: November 25, 2018, 07:20:28 PM »
Amazing that nobody in the Chareidi side will own up to the fact that boarding this flight was poor judgment in the first place.
Individual VS corporate mess ups, there are many people that make poor decisions out there.
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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #448 on: November 26, 2018, 03:33:50 AM »
Apology accepted. Rav Sorotzkin boarded an El Al flight to NY

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #449 on: November 26, 2018, 04:17:30 AM »
Apology accepted. Rav Sorotzkin boarded an El Al flight to NY
I must have missed the apology ::)

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #450 on: November 26, 2018, 04:30:12 AM »
I must have missed the apology ::)
Agreed. Was barely an apology, IMO. Though, it's hard to be such a frequent flyer from Israel and avoid El Al....
He needs El Al probably more than they need him.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #451 on: November 26, 2018, 04:41:29 AM »
There was no apology. Just a clarification, which amongst other things basically whitewashed EL AL. EL AL are taking advantage of the passengers. You can be quite sure that they will be offered a free flight to Europe [but not at a peak period] in economy [even if they had been on a First Class ticket on the 002]. EL AL offered no apology for their crews (assuming it was not the company itself) spreading blame for the incident on the "chareidim". They did not apologise for accusing them of violence (they just said they had never accused anyone of violence, which is a lie). They have not mentioned that the pilot is to be disciplined for breach of safety regulations and for lying to the passengers. They have not admitted that they made a series of very major mistakes - instead they said their employees acted in an exemplary fashion. In short, they have done NOTHING that had been asked of them, but Sorotzkin and Co have bought the whole package. Unbelievable!

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #452 on: November 26, 2018, 04:44:51 AM »
There was no apology. Just a clarification, which amongst other things basically whitewashed EL AL. EL AL are taking advantage of the passengers. You can be quite sure that they will be offered a free flight to Europe [but not at a peak period] in economy [even if they had been on a First Class ticket on the 002]. EL AL offered no apology for their crews (assuming it was not the company itself) spreading blame for the incident on the "chareidim". They did not apologise for accusing them of violence (they just said they had never accused anyone of violence, which is a lie). They have not mentioned that the pilot is to be disciplined for breach of safety regulations and for lying to the passengers. They have not admitted that they made a series of very major mistakes - instead they said their employees acted in an exemplary fashion. In short, they have done NOTHING that had been asked of them, but Sorotzkin and Co have bought the whole package. Unbelievable!
Well said

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #454 on: November 26, 2018, 05:26:58 AM »
The crazy thing is that this is sooooo typical of Israeli management. Never admit you are wrong. Never admit you are wrong. Never admit you are wrong. Never admit you are wrong.

Anywhere else the company would have apologised profusely (with full page ads in all of the major newspapers) probably fired the captain and any crew members who slandered the passengers on Twitter, and any high level management who were responsible for the whole episode (in particular, whoever told the captain to ignore the passengers' request to leave the aircraft). The passengers would also have been given compensation which would be sufficient for them to want to remain with the airline despite the traumatic events they had endured.

Nobody in Israel EVER takes responsibility. EVER.

One reason I would never invest in any Israeli company, no matter how promising their prospects might be.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #455 on: November 26, 2018, 05:42:24 AM »
The crazy thing is that this is sooooo typical of Israeli management. Never admit you are wrong. Never admit you are wrong. Never admit you are wrong. Never admit you are wrong.

Anywhere else the company would have apologised profusely (with full page ads in all of the major newspapers) probably fired the captain and any crew members who slandered the passengers on Twitter, and any high level management who were responsible for the whole episode (in particular, whoever told the captain to ignore the passengers' request to leave the aircraft). The passengers would also have been given compensation which would be sufficient for them to want to remain with the airline despite the traumatic events they had endured.

Nobody in Israel EVER takes responsibility. EVER.

One reason I would never invest in any Israeli company, no matter how promising their prospects might be.
It's not davka Israeli. The current CEO is a self hating Jew and can't get himself to apologise. If he wasn't afraid for his job, he wouldn't issue the statement he issued either.
Btw, what is someone who lives in the US supposed to do with a RT ticket to Europe? The guy is a moron. I've said that long ago.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #457 on: November 26, 2018, 09:22:04 AM »
Btw, what is someone who lives in the US supposed to do with a RT ticket to Europe?
That part makes sense. The customers were not happy with their trip to Athens so they are getting a complimentary ticket to Athens.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #458 on: November 26, 2018, 09:44:46 AM »
Unless Rav sorotkin is getting additional compensation not reported, I fail to see how elal satisfied hix demands, unless he has no other travel options that work for him.

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Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« Reply #459 on: November 26, 2018, 10:13:53 AM »
The free tickets to Europe is only for them to make more money for baggage fees ($70 RT?).