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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2011, 03:09:02 AM »
 I really feel bad to bring this up but I feel it's necessary being that I'm related to a young bochur who died of hunger in a Lubavitch yeshiva during WW2 which was right next to one of Aharon Kotler's yeshivas which at the time had a surplus of food. However the yeshiva was instructed by Aharon Kotler not to provide any food to the starving Lubavitch bochurim in the neighboring yeshiva. In fact some of the bochurim in Aharon Kotler's yeshiva took pity and broke the rules by sneaking a bag of rice to the Lubavitch bochurim. Several Lubavitch bochurim died of hunger when the supply stopped.

Another story: My great aunt worked in Aharon Kotler's office and they received a desperate plea from R. Weismandel in Slovokia who had bribed nazi officials to release thousands of Jews. At one point he secured a deal with Eichman to release many of the Hungarian Jews in the camps in late 1944 for an unknown sum of money. The request begged Aharon Kotler to help raise the funds needed to secure their release. His response was "NO" but he went on to print an updated version of "Shita Mekubetzes" (priorities?)

This story was documented a book called "The Unheeded Cry"

Needless to say I have a hard time believing the above mentioned  story...

« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 04:23:04 AM by Hudi »

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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2011, 06:54:46 AM »







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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2011, 07:10:47 AM »
I really feel bad to bring this up but I feel it's necessary being that I'm related to a young bochur who died of hunger in a Lubavitch yeshiva during WW2 which was right next to one of Aharon Kotler's yeshivas which at the time had a surplus of food. However the yeshiva was instructed by Aharon Kotler not to provide any food to the starving Lubavitch bochurim in the neighboring yeshiva. In fact some of the bochurim in Aharon Kotler's yeshiva took pity and broke the rules by sneaking a bag of rice to the Lubavitch bochurim. Several Lubavitch bochurim died of hunger when the supply stopped.

Another story: My great aunt worked in Aharon Kotler's office and they received a desperate plea from R. Weismandel in Slovokia who had bribed nazi officials to release thousands of Jews. At one point he secured a deal with Eichman to release many of the Hungarian Jews in the camps in late 1944 for an unknown sum of money. The request begged Aharon Kotler to help raise the funds needed to secure their release. His response was "NO" but he went on to print an updated version of "Shita Mekubetzes" (priorities?)

This story was documented a book called "The Unheeded Cry"

Needless to say I have a hard time believing the above mentioned  story...



Where did you pick up all that $%*&?

Not only are you spreading Motzei Shem Ra, you are stomping on the grave of the Gadol Hador responsible for the revitalization of Torah in America and the PREEMINENT fundraiser for the Vaad during the war

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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2011, 07:17:36 AM »
He quotes this book, http://www.amazon.com/dp/089906468X/?tag=cl03f-20

Ever read it?
Being that its published by Artscroll, can't believe such a story would be in it...
But I haven't read it, so...
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 11:08:15 AM by Dan »

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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2011, 07:19:40 AM »
He quotes this book, http://www.amazon.com/Unheeded-Cry-Weissmandl-Holocaust-ArtScroll/dp/089906468X

Ever read it?
Being that its published by Artscroll, can't believe such a story would be in it...
But I haven't read it, so...

Which story? R' Aaron barely ate or slept during those years so I highly doubt that he was publishing his Kuntros while he could have used money so save people

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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2011, 07:25:55 AM »
Which story? R' Aaron barely ate or slept during those years so I highly doubt that he was publishing his Kuntros while he could have used money so save people
Like I said, I haven't read the book so don't know.
You could check the book for the story and/or source.

I guess you can contact the authors family, http://www.fuchs.org/AvrahamFuchs/AvrahamFuchsBooks.htm

Maybe even sponsor the next printing if you really like it ;)

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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2011, 07:46:44 AM »
I really feel bad to bring this up but I feel it's necessary being that I'm related to a young bochur who died of hunger in a Lubavitch yeshiva during WW2 which was right next to one of Aharon Kotler's yeshivas which at the time had a surplus of food. However the yeshiva was instructed by Aharon Kotler not to provide any food to the starving Lubavitch bochurim in the neighboring yeshiva. In fact some of the bochurim in Aharon Kotler's yeshiva took pity and broke the rules by sneaking a bag of rice to the Lubavitch bochurim. Several Lubavitch bochurim died of hunger when the supply stopped.

Another story: My great aunt worked in Aharon Kotler's office and they received a desperate plea from R. Weismandel in Slovokia who had bribed nazi officials to release thousands of Jews. At one point he secured a deal with Eichman to release many of the Hungarian Jews in the camps in late 1944 for an unknown sum of money. The request begged Aharon Kotler to help raise the funds needed to secure their release. His response was "NO" but he went on to print an updated version of "Shita Mekubetzes" (priorities?)

This story was documented a book called "The Unheeded Cry"

Needless to say I have a hard time believing the above mentioned  story...


the story is obviously not true, since aharon kotler is not nearly that old, unless youre referring to his grandfather Rav Aharon Kotler in which case all i can say is shame on you mechutzef.

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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2011, 10:22:53 AM »
I really feel bad to bring this up but I feel it's necessary being that I'm related to a young bochur who died of hunger in a Lubavitch yeshiva during WW2 which was right next to one of Aharon Kotler's yeshivas which at the time had a surplus of food. However the yeshiva was instructed by Aharon Kotler not to provide any food to the starving Lubavitch bochurim in the neighboring yeshiva. In fact some of the bochurim in Aharon Kotler's yeshiva took pity and broke the rules by sneaking a bag of rice to the Lubavitch bochurim. Several Lubavitch bochurim died of hunger when the supply stopped.

Another story: My great aunt worked in Aharon Kotler's office and they received a desperate plea from R. Weismandel in Slovokia who had bribed nazi officials to release thousands of Jews. At one point he secured a deal with Eichman to release many of the Hungarian Jews in the camps in late 1944 for an unknown sum of money. The request begged Aharon Kotler to help raise the funds needed to secure their release. His response was "NO" but he went on to print an updated version of "Shita Mekubetzes" (priorities?)

This story was documented a book called "The Unheeded Cry"

Needless to say I have a hard time believing the above mentioned  story...


So basically you are saying that Harav Aharon Kotler didn't care about saving jewish lives, wasn't caring and compassionate, had skewed priorities, and was heartless???    SHAME ON YOU!!!!
Some of the things that Rav Aharon was most famous for was his active work in saving jews in WW2.
There are many stories of how he dropped everything, and went door to door (even on Shabbos when an emergency Pikuach Nefesh situation came up) fundraising to help save Yidden from the holocaust! He used to go to Washington D.C. to Plead with the President and Senators to help stop what was going on in the concentration camps!

I'm not going to go in to his Gadlus Batorah now, but even just on the Chesed aspect and caring for and helping every jew that he came in contact with,  I wonder who made up those fake stories that you wrote!!

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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2011, 10:24:10 AM »
I am shocked appalled and disgusted, why don't we start a new thread: "Purported scandals about Rabbonim" Besides that the stories do not factually add up (its almost funny that anyone would believe them) But on a more serious note, I don't think that these type of posts are beneficial to the forums. The beauty of the forums as Dan has pointed out (Re: DO) is that you've got people from all types of backgrounds coming together. There are similar legends about lots of different people and it would not serve any purpose to start posting them. I think that such posts belong at the checkout tabloids and not on DDF.
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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2011, 10:27:22 AM »
I would love to see it in the book (can anyone who knows where it is, link to google books?) I doubt it says anything even remotely similar.

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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2011, 11:11:22 AM »
Much appreciated if anyone can quote an excerpt from the book about the alleged story in question...
Was the story heard from a UK travel agent by any chance?
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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2011, 11:24:52 AM »
Was the story heard from a UK travel agent by any chance?

Or on a certain "forum".......

Either way mods should delete as garbage like that has no place on a site like this

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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2011, 11:26:44 AM »
Apparently another book on the subject written by one of the chabad bochurim who survived is "From Shedlitz to Safety" by R' Shimon Goldman.

Anyone have it?
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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2011, 11:28:01 AM »
Or on a certain "forum".......

Either way mods should delete as garbage like that has no place on a site like this
I'll delete it soon, but at this point I wouldn't mind if someone quoted some real facts about what actually happened (as sonthing did happen, although I doubt it's what Hudi said) from one of these books...
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Re: Is this story true?
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2011, 11:29:36 AM »
im going to try and get this book later i live by the YU library and they have it so if you leave this up a little longer i will try and go check it out