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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2018, 11:00:40 AM »
For anyone that’s against the wall Bec it’s a “waste of money/ineffective “ won’t have an argument re this money being appropriated towards the wall

What does this have to do with effectiveness?

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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2018, 11:16:39 AM »
For anyone that’s against the wall Bec it’s a “waste of money/ineffective “ won’t have an argument re this money being appropriated towards the wall
They are also saying "immoral".
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2018, 11:19:25 AM »
They are also saying "immoral".
Do "They" not have locks on their front doors at home?
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2018, 11:22:14 AM »
Do "They" not have locks on their front doors at home?
Don't shoot the messenger.  :)
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2018, 11:57:19 AM »

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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2018, 12:40:34 PM »
Do "They" not have locks on their front doors at home?

Homes are private spaces. Living and working in America is not the same thing.

There is no moral reason to say that immigrants of today are less worthy than when your ancestors came to America

They are also saying "immoral".

Besides being ineffective and a waste of taxpayer money, building the wall would require the Fed Gov to eminent domain peoples private property. I am told that small government conservatives find both wasting tax payer money and eminent domain  immoral.

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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2018, 12:44:18 PM »
Homes are private spaces. Living and working in America is not the same thing.

There is no moral reason to say that immigrants of today are less worthy than when your ancestors came to America

Besides being ineffective and a waste of taxpayer money, building the wall would require the Fed Gov to eminent domain peoples private property. I am told that small government conservatives find both wasting tax payer money and eminent domain  immoral.
Is there a moral reason that they are more worthy? The legal immigration system now is MUCH easier than it was then.
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2018, 01:53:12 PM »
Is there a moral reason that they are more worthy? The legal immigration system now is MUCH easier than it was then.
Can you support that assertion in any way?

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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2018, 02:07:37 PM »
Yes.

Why? Dems just won a massive election and immigration was one of the main topics.

Is there a moral reason that they are more worthy? The legal immigration system now is MUCH easier than it was then.

There were no immigration laws until the 1880s and then only on Asians.

How is it easier today?

I think the main issue is that there is a long bureaucratic wait (something conservatives are supposedly against)

The people from the caravan want to cross the border legally and claim asylum, but the wait is so long that some have crossed the border illegally and turned themselves in to CBP


The trump administration has taken actions to limit legal immigration too.

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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2018, 02:09:11 PM »
Can you support that assertion in any way?
Do you have any knowledge at all about the immigration quotas and policies in place during the first half century of the 1900s? It seems like not. Maybe you should read up a bit on immigration history before making assertions about morality.
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2018, 02:12:38 PM »
Why? Dems just won a massive election and immigration was one of the main topics.

There were no immigration laws until the 1880s and then only on Asians.

How is it easier today?

Are you assuming that most people here had their grandparents immigrate before 1880? That you guys are even asking the question shows how ignorant you are. Just read up about the hurdles people had when trying to escape the Holocaust!
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2018, 02:20:23 PM »
Do you have any knowledge at all about the immigration quotas and policies in place during the first half century of the 1900s? It seems like not. Maybe you should read up a bit on immigration history before making assertions about morality.
https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/u-s-immigration-before-1965
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2018, 02:39:26 PM »
Did they have terrorists trying to get in back then also?

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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2018, 02:41:20 PM »
Did they have terrorists trying to get in back then also?
You mean like the Irish gangs?
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2018, 02:51:55 PM »
https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/u-s-immigration-before-1965

Compared to this
 https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/us-immigration-since-1965
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All told, in the three decades following passage of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965, more than 18 million legal immigrants entered the United States, more than three times the number admitted over the preceding 30 years.
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2018, 02:57:45 PM »
Compared to this
Not sure what conclusion you can draw from it. It is easier to cross a border than an ocean.  :)
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2018, 03:15:25 PM »
Do you have any knowledge at all about the immigration quotas and policies in place during the first half century of the 1900s? It seems like not. Maybe you should read up a bit on immigration history before making assertions about morality.
You're clearly responding to the wrong person, as I made no assertions at all, moral or otherwise. I don't even necessarily disagree with your statement. But you phrased it very vaguely, without any specifics to back it up.You said it is easier now than it was then, without even bothering to define what now or then refers to in this context. Does my question make a little more sense to you now?

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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2018, 04:03:21 PM »
You're clearly responding to the wrong person, as I made no assertions at all, moral or otherwise. I don't even necessarily disagree with your statement. But you phrased it very vaguely, without any specifics to back it up.You said it is easier now than it was then, without even bothering to define what now or then refers to in this context. Does my question make a little more sense to you now?
Now has only one definition. Then is his point of comparison-when my ancestors came to America. Also perry clearly defined
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2018, 03:41:36 PM »
Bikitzur #gofundthewall
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Re: #GOFUNDTHEWALL
« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2018, 05:16:04 PM »
Bikitzur #gofundthewall
OK Kool-Aid drinkers it is time to reach into your pockets if you want the wall. Trump's temper tantrum is not going to work.
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