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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #600 on: Yesterday at 10:44:51 PM »
Why are they way off?

The additional 10,000 dead need to include 15000 women and children.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #601 on: Yesterday at 10:46:58 PM »
I'm sure 14-18 year olds are significant part of Hamas.
Opinion or something that shows this?
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« Reply #602 on: Yesterday at 10:48:37 PM »
Opinion or something that shows this?

Historical evidence of previous terrorist activities and arrests shows they are very involved in Hamas violence.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #604 on: Yesterday at 10:51:29 PM »
Very easy way to put this to bed. We now know Israel has figures on all the dead. Release it for women and children.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #605 on: Yesterday at 10:54:00 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/heres-what-a-hamas-training-camp-for-teens-looks-like/2015/01/29/ef0b4092-a33f-11e4-9f89-561284a573f8_story.html
Not disputing teems are past of Hamas. I guess the first question should what "significant part" means. 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 or more %?
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« Reply #606 on: Yesterday at 10:54:26 PM »
Very easy way to put this to bed. We now know Israel has figures on all the dead. Release it for women and children.

Watch the clip in the tweet I posted.
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« Reply #607 on: Yesterday at 10:59:19 PM »
Very easy way to put this to bed. We now know Israel has figures on all the dead. Release it for women and children.

This isn't enough?

The additional 10,000 dead need to include 15000 women and children. Yet in the same article it continues quoting that number.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #608 on: Yesterday at 11:00:32 PM »
Watch the clip in the tweet I posted.
Ok I watched the clip.
When your ally is questioning if you are doing enough to protect civilians that it will be asked.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #609 on: Yesterday at 11:00:52 PM »
This isn't enough?
I don't know what that means.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #610 on: Yesterday at 11:07:16 PM »
Ok I watched the clip.
When your ally is questioning if you are doing enough to protect civilians that it will be asked.

His point is that this has never been questioned before, at least out loud. It's not productive, and it shouldn't happen.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #611 on: Yesterday at 11:09:58 PM »
His point is that this has never been questioned before, at least out loud. It's not productive, and it shouldn't happen.
I get his point. Historically he is wrong. In Vietnam it was questioned all the time how many must die before the insanity must end.
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« Reply #612 on: Yesterday at 11:24:35 PM »
I get his point. Historically he is wrong. In Vietnam it was questioned all the time how many must die before the insanity must end.

Vietnam was about how many of OUR boys have to die over there before we bring them home and walk away. College kids didn't want to get drafted into a war they didn't think had anything to do with them.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #613 on: Yesterday at 11:37:02 PM »
Vietnam was about how many of OUR boys have to die over there before we bring them home and walk away. College kids didn't want to get drafted into a war they didn't think had anything to do with them.
That was only part of it. A significant number of the protesters hated our government and didn't care about our soldiers. You don't spit on soldiers and call them baby killers if you care about them. Another part cared about both sides. You ever hear about Hanio Jane? She and many others called out the US for bombing non-military targets killing innocent civilians.   

Another tidbit about Vietnam is they had whole cities underground. Check out Cu Chi tunnels. They also used women and children as booby-traps. Any of this sound familiar?
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #614 on: Yesterday at 11:40:59 PM »
I don't know what that means.

The difference between the "confirmed" and the GMOH numbers is about 10,000 dead (actually 9936). The difference between confirmed women and children and GMOH women and children is about 15,000 (actually 12,308).
DeadChildrenWomen
GMOH
34622
15103
9961
Confirmed
24686
7797
4959
Difference
9936
7306
5002
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« Reply #615 on: Today at 12:12:39 AM »
Another possible way to reconcile the numbers is if most of the elderly are children.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #616 on: Today at 12:13:41 AM »
That was only part of it. A significant number of the protesters hated our government and didn't care about our soldiers. You don't spit on soldiers and call them baby killers if you care about them. Another part cared about both sides. You ever hear about Hanio Jane? She and many others called out the US for bombing non-military targets killing innocent civilians.   

Another tidbit about Vietnam is they had whole cities underground. Check out Cu Chi tunnels. They also used women and children as booby-traps. Any of this sound familiar?

I wasn't there, but here's the timeline I was taught:
War started in 1954
US sent troops in 1964
First protests started in 1965, and largely focused on US involvement, well before the mistreatment of US servicemen began
Protests continued heavily until Nixon started withdrawing troops in 1970
By 1971, protests had mostly died out
US completely withdrew troops by 1973, no more war protests (more focused on Watergate)
War ends in 1975

Now tell me the US public was really concerned about civilian deaths. Were some individuals and small groups concerned? Sure! On a national level like we're seeing now? Heck no. And we didn't think to care for the first 10 years of the war before our boys were sent as VC guerilla fodder.

This ain't that.

ETA: and the protests and focus on civilian deaths didn't end the war, just our involvement in it, so his point stands: focusing on civilian deaths doesn't help end the conflict.
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