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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #600 on: May 13, 2024, 10:44:51 PM »
Why are they way off?

The additional 10,000 dead need to include 15000 women and children.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #601 on: May 13, 2024, 10:46:58 PM »
I'm sure 14-18 year olds are significant part of Hamas.
Opinion or something that shows this?
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #602 on: May 13, 2024, 10:48:37 PM »
Opinion or something that shows this?

Historical evidence of previous terrorist activities and arrests shows they are very involved in Hamas violence.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #604 on: May 13, 2024, 10:51:29 PM »
Very easy way to put this to bed. We now know Israel has figures on all the dead. Release it for women and children.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #605 on: May 13, 2024, 10:54:00 PM »
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #606 on: May 13, 2024, 10:54:26 PM »
Very easy way to put this to bed. We now know Israel has figures on all the dead. Release it for women and children.

Watch the clip in the tweet I posted.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #607 on: May 13, 2024, 10:59:19 PM »
Very easy way to put this to bed. We now know Israel has figures on all the dead. Release it for women and children.

This isn't enough?

The additional 10,000 dead need to include 15000 women and children. Yet in the same article it continues quoting that number.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #608 on: May 13, 2024, 11:00:32 PM »
Watch the clip in the tweet I posted.
Ok I watched the clip.
When your ally is questioning if you are doing enough to protect civilians that it will be asked.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #609 on: May 13, 2024, 11:00:52 PM »
This isn't enough?
I don't know what that means.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #610 on: May 13, 2024, 11:07:16 PM »
Ok I watched the clip.
When your ally is questioning if you are doing enough to protect civilians that it will be asked.

His point is that this has never been questioned before, at least out loud. It's not productive, and it shouldn't happen.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #611 on: May 13, 2024, 11:09:58 PM »
His point is that this has never been questioned before, at least out loud. It's not productive, and it shouldn't happen.
I get his point. Historically he is wrong. In Vietnam it was questioned all the time how many must die before the insanity must end.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #612 on: May 13, 2024, 11:24:35 PM »
I get his point. Historically he is wrong. In Vietnam it was questioned all the time how many must die before the insanity must end.

Vietnam was about how many of OUR boys have to die over there before we bring them home and walk away. College kids didn't want to get drafted into a war they didn't think had anything to do with them.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #613 on: May 13, 2024, 11:37:02 PM »
Vietnam was about how many of OUR boys have to die over there before we bring them home and walk away. College kids didn't want to get drafted into a war they didn't think had anything to do with them.
That was only part of it. A significant number of the protesters hated our government and didn't care about our soldiers. You don't spit on soldiers and call them baby killers if you care about them. Another part cared about both sides. You ever hear about Hanio Jane? She and many others called out the US for bombing non-military targets killing innocent civilians.   

Another tidbit about Vietnam is they had whole cities underground. Check out Cu Chi tunnels. They also used women and children as booby-traps. Any of this sound familiar?
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #614 on: May 13, 2024, 11:40:59 PM »
I don't know what that means.

The difference between the "confirmed" and the GMOH numbers is about 10,000 dead (actually 9936). The difference between confirmed women and children and GMOH women and children is about 15,000 (actually 12,308).
DeadChildrenWomen
GMOH
34622
15103
9961
Confirmed
24686
7797
4959
Difference
9936
7306
5002
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #615 on: May 14, 2024, 12:12:39 AM »
Another possible way to reconcile the numbers is if most of the elderly are children.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #616 on: May 14, 2024, 12:13:41 AM »
That was only part of it. A significant number of the protesters hated our government and didn't care about our soldiers. You don't spit on soldiers and call them baby killers if you care about them. Another part cared about both sides. You ever hear about Hanio Jane? She and many others called out the US for bombing non-military targets killing innocent civilians.   

Another tidbit about Vietnam is they had whole cities underground. Check out Cu Chi tunnels. They also used women and children as booby-traps. Any of this sound familiar?

I wasn't there, but here's the timeline I was taught:
War started in 1954
US sent troops in 1964
First protests started in 1965, and largely focused on US involvement, well before the mistreatment of US servicemen began
Protests continued heavily until Nixon started withdrawing troops in 1970
By 1971, protests had mostly died out
US completely withdrew troops by 1973, no more war protests (more focused on Watergate)
War ends in 1975

Now tell me the US public was really concerned about civilian deaths. Were some individuals and small groups concerned? Sure! On a national level like we're seeing now? Heck no. And we didn't think to care for the first 10 years of the war before our boys were sent as VC guerilla fodder.

This ain't that.

ETA: and the protests and focus on civilian deaths didn't end the war, just our involvement in it, so his point stands: focusing on civilian deaths doesn't help end the conflict.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #617 on: May 14, 2024, 12:44:44 AM »
Why are they way off? Women and teens, and "elderly" for that matter, can't also be fighters? Given that the median age in Gaza is 18, I'm sure 14-18 year olds are significant part of Hamas. And with 5-10k unaccounted for, assuming most of the fighters buried by airstrikes were males, the numbers even out a lot more.

That said, this guy says it well (language warning):
https://twitter.com/HanShawnity/status/1789787035361783820
I love how he talks so fast yet so clear.

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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #618 on: May 14, 2024, 11:21:55 AM »
The difference between the "confirmed" and the GMOH numbers is about 10,000 dead (actually 9936). The difference between confirmed women and children and GMOH women and children is about 15,000 (actually 12,308).
DeadChildrenWomen
GMOH
34622
15103
9961
Confirmed
24686
7797
4959
Difference
9936
7306
5002
I get what you are saying now.
After 8 months of being told the Gaza numbers are fake (total killed) they are close to Israel's estimates. I would expect with Israel saying 30k killed, Gaza's numbers would be at minimum of 60k and more like 100k.
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Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #619 on: May 14, 2024, 11:36:10 AM »
I get what you are saying now.
After 8 months of being told the Gaza numbers are fake (total killed) they are close to Israel's estimates. I would expect with Israel saying 30k killed, Gaza's numbers would be at minimum of 60k and more like 100k.
Because you read jokes online and satire that are tying to prove a point. The point is, their numbers aren't based on reality.
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