CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS

[yelped]

Shirtless and waving a white flag, YES.
I guess I got my answer how it was reported in the EC!!!

Sorry, I totally disagree. The IDF investigation had the same results. If you know how Hamas operates, you can see how mistakes like these can happen. Sorry it doesn't fit the MSM narrative of an evil Israel.

[Dan]

Shirtless and waving a white flag, YES.
I guess I got my answer how it was reported in the EC!!!

Horrible. Just horrible.

[CountValentine]

Sorry, I totally disagree. The IDF investigation had the same results. If you know how Hamas operates, you can see how mistakes like these can happen. Sorry it doesn't fit the MSM narrative of an evil Israel.

This has nothing to do with evil Israel and no one called them that. When you have no defense, you throw out the MSM BS.

When you are consumed by rage and vengeance your judgement is impaired and all you see is Hamas everywhere.

[yelped]

This has nothing to do with evil Israel and no one called them that. When you have no defense, you throw out the MSM BS.

When you are consumed by rage and vengeance your judgement is impaired and all you see is Hamas everywhere.

Ok, so you see it is as being consumed by rage and vengeance, and I see it as being consumed by fear and jitters by being in a war zone where terrorists dressed as civilians pop out for you out of everywhere (and even play recordings of Israelis talking Hebrew or babies crying to trick the soldiers into letting their guard down when entering buildings where they are hiding waiting to ambush them). But sure, if you can find a way to blame the Jews.... Tell me how again how this is not MSM BS. Sorry.

[notyettaken]

I wasn't here when it happened but how did DDF report on Israel being consumed by vengeance and rage mistakenly kill their own hostages trying to surrender? How many tweets did @yelped have on such a major event?

starts around here

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=134532.8080

reaction or hostage families

Very brave message from Hostage families:

פורום תקווה בעקבות הטרגדיה: מזועזעים וכואבים - אבל הוכח שהלחץ על חמאס פועל
פורום תקווה המאגד משפחות חטופים התייחס הערב לארוע הטראגי אמש: "הטעות טראגית ומזעזעת וצריכה להיבדק - אבל האשם העיקרי הוא חמאס". בנוסף הביעו המשפחות חשש כי "הלחץ וההפגנות דווקא יעלו את מחירה של כל עסקה עתידית וירחיקו את האפשרות לשחרור החטופים", ושלחו על כך מכתב לראש הממשלה ולחברי הקבינט

Forum Tikva following the tragedy: shocked and pained - but it has been proven that the pressure on Hamas is working
The Tikva Forum, which unites the families of abductees, commented this evening on last night's tragic event: "A tragic and shocking mistake and needs to be investigated - but the main culprit is Hamas." In addition, the families expressed fear that "the pressure and demonstrations will actually increase the price of any future deal and make the possibility of the release of the abductees far away", and sent a letter to the Prime Minister and members of the Cabinet about this.

and this is yelped's take on it (click to see what he is responding to)

Your answer is in the article. Hamas animals are using this tactic to keep on firing at soldiers. They leave their weapons in the building, appear as civilians when they walk outside, and then continue shooting from another building.

have to give him credit he is consistent.

[CountValentine]

Ok, so you see it is as being consumed by rage and vengeance, and I see it as being consumed by fear and jitters by being in a war zone where terrorists dressed as civilians pop out for you out of everywhere (and even play recordings of Israelis talking Hebrew or babies crying to trick the soldiers into letting their guard down when entering buildings where they are hiding waiting to ambush them). But sure, if you can find a way to blame the Jews.... Tell me how again how this is not MSM BS. Sorry.

You are so far in the EC you can't hear what I wrote. I am not blaming the soldiers.

[yelped]

You are so far in the EC you can't hear what I wrote. I am not blaming the soldiers.

H did DDF report on Israel being consumed by vengeance and rage mistakenly kill their own hostages trying to surrender?

Don't know, you wrote it in plain English. Now let me watch you twist your words in a New York Pretzel.

[CountValentine]

Don't know, you wrote it in plain English. Now let me watch you twist your words in a New York Pretzel.

They made a mistake. What part of what I wrote didn't you understand?
That mistake IMHO was because of rage and or vengeance that impaired their judgment.

At the beginning of this Biden said don't react by being consumed with rage. Everyone asked what does that mean. This is what he was talking about. Rage leads to bad judgement.

[notyettaken]

It would be helpful to try to understand the other party (by asking questions and clarifying) before disagreeing.
And when disagreeing to explain 1) why you think they are wrong 2) what you think is correct. Simply stating the other party is wrong is not very helpful.

[smurf]

They made a mistake. What part of what I wrote didn't you understand?
That mistake IMHO was because of rage and or vengeance that impaired their judgment.

At the beginning of this Biden said don't react by being consumed with rage. Everyone asked what does that mean. This is what he was talking about. Rage leads to bad judgement.

So you think the soldiers shot the hostages because they wanted them to die, and not because they didn't wan't to die?
It has been explained here and in other places, they had legitimate reason to be afraid given Hamas' tactics.
 

[yelped]

They made a mistake. What part of what I wrote didn't you understand?
That mistake IMHO was because of rage and or vengeance that impaired their judgment.

At the beginning of this Biden said don't react by being consumed with rage. Everyone asked what does that mean. This is what he was talking about. Rage leads to bad judgement.

Seriously? You don't understand why I take umbrage at your statement? Saying they acted out of rage and vengeance is a malicious slur. Especially, when you can just as easily say that it was caused by other factors as explained earlier numerous times.

[aygart]

You are so far in the EC you can't hear what I wrote. I am not blaming the soldiers.

How would anyone know if it was vengeance and rage or fear and pressures of the Gaza war zone, or a mix of both?

[notyettaken]

lets try being polite 

when you wrote

I wasn't here when it happened but how did DDF report on Israel being consumed by vengeance and rage mistakenly kill their own hostages trying to surrender? How many tweets did @yelped have on such a major event?

where you referring to the solders actions  or Israel society/ddf reaction to the event.

I think you are trying to contrast the reaction to the hostages being killed and the aid workers being killed. is that correct?

[CountValentine]

How would anyone know if it was vengeance and rage or fear and pressures of the Gaza war zone, or a mix of both?

That would be an opinion as I stated mine.
What isn't opinion is they made a bad decision.

My whole point was to see how this was covered here and not to blame the soldiers. I got my answer.

[yelped]

That would be an opinion as I stated mine.
What isn't opinion is they made a bad decision.

My whole point was to see how this was covered here and not to blame the soldiers. I got my answer.

And I got mine. 🙄

[smurf]

That would be an opinion as I stated mine.
What isn't opinion is they made a bad decision.

My whole point was to see how this was covered here and not to blame the soldiers. I got my answer.

Problem is when you write it this way

I wasn't here when it happened but how did DDF report on Israel being consumed by vengeance and rage mistakenly kill their own hostages trying to surrender? How many tweets did @yelped have on such a major event?

It conjures up images of tough angry men on a rage filled killing spree, when in reality most of them are scared kids that just want to get home alive

[CountValentine]

lets try being polite 

when you wrote
where you referring to the solders actions  or Israel society/ddf reaction to the event.

I think you are trying to contrast the reaction to the hostages being killed and the aid workers being killed. is that correct?

Oct 7 was not your run of the mill terrorist attack. It was something we have never seen before. Being consumed by rage IMHO would be a normal reaction.

I am referring to the overall mindset. I have seen this played out in the thread (rage). Statements like they killed our babies so we will kill theirs. That IMHO is rage talking.

[imayid2]

Problem is when you write it this way

It conjures up images of tough angry men on a rage filled killing spree, when in reality most of them are scared kids that just want to get home alive

You can’t mistakenly go on a killing spree

[smurf]

You can’t mistakenly go on a killing spree

Not sure what you mean, but what i meant is that phrasing it that way sounds like they were on a killing spree out for blood and mistakenly killed their own.

I'm not saying there is no element of rage or vengeance at all, but saying it like that without consideration for any facts on the ground is just dishonest.

[CountValentine]

It conjures up images of tough angry men on a rage filled killing spree,

Conjure up an image how you would feel. Just because you have rage that doesn't equate to a killing spree.

Maybe rage is the wrong word to use or should leave out consumed?

Anyway, I have clear picture how this was covered as I went back and read the posts @notyettaken linked to.

It was covered the same way the incident about the car approaching a tank, turning around and leaving, then blown to pieces. They even convinced themselves in that discussion that there was a gun flash that was later shown to be the reflection of the sun on the window.