CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS

[CountValentine]

If he wants to do a political hit piece, he should back it up with facts.

[CountValentine]

The video is focused on him and nothing else. You see a couple of minutes from a march that goes on for hours.

100% correct and that is all we can go on.
Do you wonder why we don't see what preceded this? Was he just walking, minding his own business and the police came up to him. Did he initiate the contact? Did he try to cross the street before the police showed up? If so, what happened?
Inquiring minds want to know. 

[CountValentine]

This isn't good!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-expected-to-sanction-idf-unit-for-human-rights-violations-in-occupied-west-bank/ar-AA1nmt10?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=8994153879024ea69a3202d2c4c3ad38&ei=9
U.S. expected to sanction IDF unit for human rights violations in occupied West Bank

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/netanyahu-absurd-for-us-to-sanction-idf-soldiers-as-they-fight-terror/ar-AA1nmKdl?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=084ab3460f024241ec17f1ad940dda77&ei=16

[Yehuda57]

100% correct and that is all we can go on.
Do you wonder why we don't see what preceded this? Was he just walking, minding his own business and the police came up to him. Did he initiate the contact? Did he try to cross the street before the police showed up? If so, what happened?
Inquiring minds want to know. 

The cops in the video state that it is merely his presence as a visible jew that is the issue and he didn't do anything else.

Again, you can take the word of people like me who have second hand info. I was in England myself a few weeks ago and discussed this with people there, and I have a close relative who I'm spending pesach with who has unwittingly ended up at these protests a couple of times. And you can couple that info with the dozens upon dozens of reports that have been made in British media.

Or you can play semantics with a video clearly made to prove the points being made and ignored by hundreds for months.

But we're the ones being obtuse.

Find me the reports of non Jewish people being told they cannot cross the road. Find me the reports of non Jewish people being harassed, threatened, and verbally abused merely for standing or walking near these protests.
It is the job of the police to uphold the rights of the citizens, not threaten to arrest law abiding citizens to placate a lawless mob.

[CountValentine]

The cops in the video state that it is merely his presence as a visible jew that is the issue and he didn't do anything else.

Again, you can take the word of people like me who have second hand info. I was in England myself a few weeks ago and discussed this with people there, and I have a close relative who I'm spending pesach with who has unwittingly ended up at these protests a couple of times. And you can couple that info with the dozens upon dozens of reports that have been made in British media.

Or you can play semantics with a video clearly made to prove the points being made and ignored by hundreds for months.

But we're the ones being obtuse.

Find me the reports of non Jewish people being told they cannot cross the road. Find me the reports of non Jewish people being harassed, threatened, and verbally abused merely for standing or walking near these protests.
It is the job of the police to uphold the rights of the citizens, not threaten to arrest law abiding citizens to placate a lawless mob.

You are not getting it. I am on your side. I agree with 95% of what you say. I believe what you say is happening. I am not the target audience. I am trying to explain what the average person that is not involved with either side is going to see.

There are going to see that is a setup and he instigated the situation. They are not going to know all the back history.

[Yehuda57]

You are not getting it. I am on your side. I agree with 95% of what you say. I believe what you say is happening. I am not the target audience. I am trying to explain what the average person that is not involved with either side is going to see.

There are going to see that is a setup and he instigated the situation. They are not going to know all the back history.

It was a setup. But you aren't the average viewer. The average viewer is someone who lives in England and has been watching the police say week after week that it is safe for Jews and Jews saying it's not. The average viewer is one of the millions in London who have been at the protests, willingly or not.

[CountValentine]

It was a setup. But you aren't the average viewer. The average viewer is someone who lives in England and has been watching the police say week after week that it is safe for Jews and Jews saying it's not. The average viewer is one of the millions in London who have been at the protests, willingly or not.

I guess they are different than the average viewer in the US. An example given were a black man wanting to cross in the middle of a KKK rally. The average US person would want to know if this guy is a complete idiot. 

[Just A Jew]

I guess they are different than the average viewer in the US. An example given were a black man wanting to cross in the middle of a KKK rally. The average US person would want to know wtf are there still KKK rallies and why are the police protecting them. 

FTFY

[CountValentine]

FTFY

We have this thing called the constitution!

[Yehuda57]

I guess they are different than the average viewer in the US. An example given were a black man wanting to cross in the middle of a KKK rally. The average US person would want to know if this guy is a complete idiot. 

1) KKK have a right to rally in the United States. They would not be able to say white supremacist slogans in the UK.
2) if the KKK rally in the US started threatening specific black people it would be fighting words and they would lose their free speech protection and they would absolutely get arrested.
3) If it was a legal march where the cops politely requested a black person to use a different route, maybe. But if the black person still wanted to walk on a public street and was getting threatened by the KKK, obviously the people that should get threatened with arrest are the KKK members, not the black person exercising his rights.
In other words:  cops politely ask = ok. Person can choose whether or not to listen
Cops order to move under threat of arrest= unlawful order violating the citizen's rights.

I don't know what legal protections people have in England, but in the US the cops in this instance would be personally liable if they arrested him unlawfully and would not get qualified immunity. And based on the fact that this is clearly policy from the top, the city would be liable as well, especially when the cops would inevitably implicate their superiors when they tried to defend themselves.

[CountValentine]

With so many hills to prove your point you are dead sent on dying on this hill. 

[CountValentine]

What does the last two sentences mean in this tweet? @Yehuda57

https://twitter.com/kinsellawarren/status/1781815850057486703

[Yehuda57]

What does the last two sentences mean in this tweet? @Yehuda57

The way it is tweeted, it is intended to convey that there is a a lot of similarly antisemitic graffiti in the city. Though there is nothing in the quote that indicates the other graffiti is antisemitic

[Sam 77]

The way it is tweeted, it is intended to convey that there is a a lot of similarly antisemitic graffiti in the city. Though there is nothing in the quote that indicates the other graffiti is antisemitic

+1 that's the way I read it

[CountValentine]

The way it is tweeted, it is intended to convey that there is a a lot of similarly antisemitic graffiti in the city. Though there is nothing in the quote that indicates the other graffiti is antisemitic

Do you see how it can be read as just a lot of graffiti? This how many some of these discussions go 100 pages.

[EliJelly]

What does the last two sentences mean in this tweet? @Yehuda57

That there are "JUDEN" graffiti all over Toronto

[zh cohen]

An example given were a black man wanting to cross in the middle of a KKK rally. The average US person would want to know if this guy is a complete idiot. 

What about if a black person went to sit at a lunch counter that KKK supporters said was only for white people? Or sat in the front of the bus, instead of the back?

[Jellybelly]

I guess they are different than the average viewer in the US. An example given were a black man wanting to cross in the middle of a KKK rally. The average US person would want to know if this guy is a complete idiot. 

And he’d probably be on the back of a quarter now 🙄

[Yehuda57]

You are not getting it. I am on your side. I agree with 95% of what you say. I believe what you say is happening. I am not the target audience. I am trying to explain what the average person that is not involved with either side is going to see.

There are going to see that is a setup and he instigated the situation. They are not going to know all the back history.

What about if a black person went to sit at a lunch counter that KKK supporters said was only for white people? Or sat in the front of the bus, instead of the back?

CV to Rosa Parks: sit in the back of the bus, it's for your own protection

[CountValentine]

CV to Rosa Parks: sit in the back of the bus, it's for your own protection

Didn't expect that from you.