CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS

[CountValentine]

Because you read jokes online and satire that are tying to prove a point. The point is, their numbers aren't based on reality.

We now have numbers from both sides, and they are both within reason. I guess they just had a lucky guess?

[jj1000]

We now have numbers from both sides, and they are both within reason. I guess they just had a lucky guess?

Not following totally, but what is it, a 40% difference?

[Just A Jew]

We now have numbers from both sides, and they are both within reason. I guess they just had a lucky guess?

What's the point of the numbers?

[aygart]

I get what you are saying now.
After 8 months of being told the Gaza numbers are fake (total killed) they are close to Israel's estimates. I would expect with Israel saying 30k killed, Gaza's numbers would be at minimum of 60k and more like 100k.

They are still off by 15 to 20 percent. That is not really all that close.

[Just A Jew]

Not following totally, but what is it, a 40% difference?

Less than 20%, with that being an unknown number of bodies buried in the rubble.

[CountValentine]

Not following totally, but what is it, a 40% difference?

Depends which way you want to say it.
Israel figures are 15% lower than Gaza.
Gaza figures are 19% higher than Israel.
Contrast that with say the Vietnam war where final figures were different by 100-200%.
The point being with everything I heard here I expected the figures to way off.

[CountValentine]

They are still off by 15 to 20 percent. That is not really all that close.

Check other wars or my last post and get back to me. 

[jj1000]

Check other wars or my last post and get back to me. 

Can't compare wars with video cameras and drones at every corner to ones without them.

[CountValentine]

What's the point of the numbers?

They are essential for a complete picture. Didn't you ever hear about paint by numbers? 

[CountValentine]

Can't compare wars with video cameras and drones at every corner to ones without them.

Actually you can but I think your point it is not a fair comparison?

[jj1000]

Actually you can but I think your point it is not a fair comparison?

You know me so well 😂

[CountValentine]

You know me so well 😂

Or it is easy to tell what a person is saying when you want to be fair. 

[Just A Jew]

They are essential for a complete picture. Didn't you ever hear about paint by numbers? 

Sure, paint by the number is great. Now take the numbers you've gotten from both the IDF and the GMH, and tell me which colors I'm supposed to paint for the following categories:

Male fighters killed (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Female fighters killed (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Male fighters killed (under 18 and over whatever "elderly" means)
Female fighters killed (under 18 and over whatever "elderly" means)
Male civilians killed by IDF (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Female civilians killed by IDF (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Male civilians killed by Hamas, intentionally or by accident (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Female civilians killed by Hamas, intentionally or by accident (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Minor civilians killed by IDF
Minor civilians killed by Hamas, intentionally or by accident
Elderly (whatever that means) civilians killed by IDF
Elderly (whatever that means) civilians killed by Hamas, intentionally or by accident
Number of naturally occurring deaths from all the above demographics which are included in GMH numbers

[aygart]

Depends which way you want to say it.
Israel figures are 15% lower than Gaza.
Gaza figures are 19% higher than Israel.
Contrast that with say the Vietnam war where final figures were different by 100-200%.
The point being with everything I heard here I expected the figures to way off.

1. There is a certain amount within reason that they need to keep it to allow NGO's to say they were somewhat accurate in the past.
2. They don't bother with that regarding women and children. Everyone is taking their numbers and running even though they are impossible to be true.
3. Israel's numbers may be including estimates of buried under rubble. It seems that way from things they've said. GHM numbers explicitly say they do not.

[CountValentine]

Sure, paint by the number is great. Now take the numbers you've gotten from both the IDF and the GMH, and tell me which colors I'm supposed to paint for the following categories:

Male fighters killed (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Female fighters killed (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Male fighters killed (under 18 and over whatever "elderly" means)
Female fighters killed (under 18 and over whatever "elderly" means)
Male civilians killed by IDF (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Female civilians killed by IDF (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Male civilians killed by Hamas, intentionally or by accident (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Female civilians killed by Hamas, intentionally or by accident (over 18 and under whatever "elderly" means)
Minor civilians killed by IDF
Minor civilians killed by Hamas, intentionally or by accident
Elderly (whatever that means) civilians killed by IDF
Elderly (whatever that means) civilians killed by Hamas, intentionally or by accident
Number of naturally occurring deaths from all the above demographics which are included in GMH numbers

I only have the broad strokes for my painting. Need more paint by numbers. Israel finally saying after 8 months how many civilians is a first step.

[CountValentine]

1. There is a certain amount within reason that they need to keep it to allow NGO's to say they were somewhat accurate in the past.
2. They don't bother with that regarding women and children. Everyone is taking their numbers and running even though they are impossible to be true.
3. Israel's numbers may be including estimates of buried under rubble. It seems that way from things they've said. GHM numbers explicitly say they do not.

Would it fair to say NGO's are overestimating the number of civilians and to a lesser extent Israel is underestimating the same group?  If that is true, then 30k/35k becomes 32k very easily for both sides.

[Just A Jew]

I only have the broad strokes for my painting. Need more paint by numbers. Israel finally saying after 8 months how many civilians is a first step.

Even then, what's the point of the picture? What are you trying to see?

[aygart]

Would it fair to say NGO's are overestimating the number of civilians and to a lesser extent Israel is underestimating the same group?  If that is true, then 30k/35k becomes 32k very easily for both sides.

What about the women and children number that gets quotes over and over again to illustrate how it is a supposed genocide?

[CountValentine]

What about the women and children number that gets quotes over and over again to illustrate how it is a supposed genocide?

Even if their numbers are correct that doesn't prove genocide.
Was genocide ever brought up by me?

[CountValentine]

Even then, what's the point of the picture? What are you trying to see?

Paintings are for my benefit. They help understand the big picture for me.