World Cup Master Thread

[CountValentine]

It's up to the ref's discretion. Football is completely different, a play lasts a few seconds. In general they won't stop play if one team is attacking, but they could. Though I don't get it
Why is that fair? Time is up, time is up. Why should the ref let them play on just because they have the ball in the opponents half?

Both sides understand what happens at the end of the game. If you want to get a ref killed have him blow the whistle during a scoring chance. 

[CountValentine]

The problem is not var, but how it is used. They should do it like cricket, unless it's very blatantly the wrong call, the call on the field stands. In cricket sometimes you see clearly the ump made the wrong call, but as long as it's within a certain margin for error, the call stands.

Again I ask, how far offsides you going to let them be?

[Yehuda57]

Again I ask, how far offsides you going to let them be?

A) Yuneeq's hickey suggestion is already better.
b) I would say if there is clear daylight

[CountValentine]

A) Yuneeq's hickey suggestion is already better.
b) I would say if there is clear daylight

Tunisa just scored a goal on a set piece. It was offside because his upper body was leaning forward. You have to call that.

[Yehuda57]

Tunisa just scored a goal on a set piece. It was offside because his upper body was leaning forward. You have to call that.

You only have to call that if that's the rule. We're saying to change the rule

[CountValentine]

You only have to call that if that's the rule. We're saying to change the rule

That makes no sense.
So, we change the rule that it has to be clearly offside. Meaning if it is just a little offside it will not be called.
You just eliminated one of the main strategies of the game, offside trap.

[Yehuda57]

That makes no sense.
So, we change the rule that it has to be clearly offside. Meaning if it is just a little offside it will not be called.
You just eliminated one of the main strategies of the game, offside trap.

Dude, you're not eliminating off sides if you say his entire body has to be behind the defender, you're just eliminating more borderline calls. Then for VAR, you only reverse the call on the field when it is "egregiously" wrong, which I would define as seeing clear daylight

[CountValentine]

Dude, you're not eliminating off sides if you say his entire body has to be behind the defender, you're just eliminating more borderline calls. Then for VAR, you only reverse the call on the field when it is "egregiously" wrong, which I would define as seeing clear daylight

So you just moved the offside line. That accomplished nothing. Instead of any part of the scoring body you made it the whole body. Now the dispute will be was the whole body offsides.

That is like in football instead of any part of the ball breaking the plane the whole ball has to break the plane.

I am confused as you want VAR that is exact, but you don't want it to be exact.

[Yehuda57]

So you just moved the offside line. That accomplished nothing. Instead of any part of the scoring body you made it the whole body. Now the dispute will be was the whole body offsides.

That is like in football instead of any part of the ball breaking the plane the whole ball has to break the plane.

I am confused as you want VAR that is exact, but you don't want it to be exact.

My opinion on VAR is the same as for all sports. I want to involve replay only to address egregious errors. And quickly. So someone is watching and if the mistake was obvious, they call down to the ref to pause play to look closer, but if it is a close call that would take time to see what is correct, then it stays with the call on the field.

[CountValentine]

My opinion on VAR is the same as for all sports. I want to involve replay only to address egregious errors. And quickly. So someone is watching and if the mistake was obvious, they call down to the ref to pause play to look closer, but if it is a close call that would take time to see what is correct, then it stays with the call on the field.

Here is the issue. The ball is kicked 50 yards from where the offside trap is setup. The offensive player has a running start. It looks like the ref missed an egregious offsides. They go to VAR and see he was offsides by a millimeter. Do they call it?

[Yehuda57]

Here is the issue. The ball is kicked 50 yards from where the offside trap is setup. The offensive player has a running start. It looks like the ref missed an egregious offsides. They go to VAR and see he was offsides by a millimeter. Do they call it?

You have to draw a line somewhere, so a mm doesn't sound egregious, but with the technology where it is, you can literally draw a line and see within 5 seconds if there is clear daylight or not. I think that's faiir.

[CountValentine]

You have to draw a line somewhere, so a mm doesn't sound egregious, but with the technology where it is, you can literally draw a line and see within 5 seconds if there is clear daylight or not. I think that's faiir.

What I am pointing out is the original call looked egregious. VAR shows it wasn't egregious, but it was offsides by the smallest amount. Now what do you do? Let the original call stand or overturn it?

Offsides is the hardest call to make in all of sports (major US sports). So many times it looks obvious to the spectators but in reality it isn't.

[Yehuda57]

What I am pointing out is the original call looked egregious. VAR shows it wasn't egregious, but it was offsides by the smallest amount. Now what do you do? Let the original call stand or overturn it?

What I'm saying is a clear guideline as to what is reversible and what isn't is fairly simple to do.

Offsides is the hardest call to make in all of sports (major US sports). So many times it looks obvious to the spectators but in reality it isn't.

I don't know, offsides seems to me to be called correctly almost always with VAR messing things up with reversing calls based on a fraction of a toenail or something

[CountValentine]

What I'm saying is a clear guideline as to what is reversible and what isn't is fairly simple to do.

I am giving you real life examples where offsides is not that simple. There are many times it looks like the ref blew the call but that is not the case.

It seems you want the rule changed to not be offsides when it is a close call?

[Yehuda57]

I am giving you real life examples where offsides is not that simple. There are many times it looks like the ref blew the call but that is not the case.

It seems you want the rule changed to not be offsides when it is a close call?

I'm saying 2 things.

1) Change the rule as per Yuneeq's suggestion that the whole body has to be offsides, not just a part of the body.
2) VAR should only reverse "egregious" decisions, which is when there is clear daylight. Now, they can freeze the frame and draw a line and have the answer in seconds.

[CountValentine]

VAR just took away the tying goal at the end of extended time for France. It wasn't obvious to the spectator but was in slow motion and to VAR. This why all these suggestions don't work in real life.

[CountValentine]

1) Change the rule as per Yuneeq's suggestion that the whole body has to be offsides, not just a part of the body.

This accomplishes absolutely nothing except moving the offsides line.

2) VAR should only reverse "egregious" decisions, which is when there is clear daylight. Now, they can freeze the frame and draw a line and have the answer in seconds.

VAR just took away the tying goal at the end of extended time for France. It wasn't obvious to the spectator but was in slow motion and to VAR. This why all these suggestions don't work in real life.

[Yehuda57]

This accomplishes absolutely nothing except moving the offsides line.

This accomplishes nothing except for what it accomplishes

[Yehuda57]

The rule change is only necessary because of VAR, Before, you had the ref making the call, and close calls were just close calls. Now that VAR is checking to see if the guy's toenail was too far ahead, change the rule to the entire body, and only use VAR to reverse when it is clear that there is daylight between the players

[CountValentine]

This accomplishes nothing except for what it accomplishes

The rule change is only necessary because of VAR, Before, you had the ref making the call, and close calls were just close calls. Now that VAR is checking to see if the guy's toenail was too far ahead, change the rule to the entire body, and only use VAR to reverse when it is clear that there is daylight between the players

You are not understanding. You change the rule to whole body. Now he is offsides because of whole body + toenail. Moving the line accomplishes nothing. You still have the same issue.

I watched the France game live. I had no idea why they went to VAR on the goal. The announcers thought it was because of a foul. The VAR showed he was offside by the whole body.