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Link to "Trick-it" thread on FT, Good Luck!

Booking: "Airline's own site is usually best. It just simply won't work there most of the time, hence the need for OTAs. And some of the smaller OTAs have employees doing manual checks of their tickets, so gotta be cautious there, too." (Moishebatchy)

See, this is precisely why booking FD's is NOT for the unwashed masses!!!

Here, let me make this nice and clear for you: when booking a FD, you CANNOT call the airline for ANY reason. You cannot call to add an infant, you cannot call to order kosher meals, you cannot call to request seats, you cannot even call to check if your flight is running on time!!!! No human eye (belonging to an airline employee) can ever see your ticket, period. If it cannot be done online, then you cannot do it at all. The risk is too great. Capische?

Oh, and as far as changes/cancellations are concerned... YOU CANNOT CANCEL A FUEL DUMP TICKET. EVER. Even if it's cancel-able online, because online cancellations are often manually reviewed by human auditors. You spent $450 on a cheap ticket to Israel and now your work schedule changed? That's too bad, you're gonna have to eat the $450 loss and let your ticket go into the garbage. If you try to cancel, your greed in saving $450 can trigger the cancellation of tens of thousands of dollars of other people's fuel-dumped tickets. Think I'm exaggerating? I've seen it happen with my own eyes.

NOW do you people understand what I mean by the "dark side of FD"?!

And NOW do you see why we don't like when the newbie, "gimme a cheap ticket to Israel!!!!" crowd gets a hold of these?! Let me tell you, when someone from that crowd gets a hold of these fares and books his family of 10 people for $4,500 total, and then they have to cancel the trip for some reason, I GUARANTEE you he will not resist the temptation to cancel and get his $4,500 back. He WILL cancel to get his money back, and he WILL get the dump killed for many other people. And THAT is a big part of why veterans don't like it when newbies get their hands on this stuff.

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Author Topic: Trick-It Master Thread  (Read 187189 times)

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #760 on: November 05, 2015, 07:51:01 PM »
This was doomed since it hit ddf.
It was posted 8/25. Today's date is 11/5, and this thread has been pretty quiet. I don't think the blame lies here
Look through FT, most FD come and go, so stop with the blame game.

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #761 on: November 05, 2015, 07:55:26 PM »

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #762 on: November 05, 2015, 07:57:06 PM »

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #763 on: November 05, 2015, 07:59:39 PM »
What's really weird is that they didn't stop the 3x from working, rather the rules changed to EoE not permitted..Is this what usually happens when they discover a dump?
There were many potential dumps. I wouldn't have minded if they only knocked out one or two.....
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #764 on: November 05, 2015, 07:59:59 PM »

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #765 on: November 05, 2015, 08:02:20 PM »
I'm confused.

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #766 on: November 05, 2015, 08:03:03 PM »
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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #767 on: November 05, 2015, 08:13:15 PM »
is it a risk to purches an extra bag online?

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #768 on: November 05, 2015, 09:08:43 PM »
Anyone thinks an official statement will come out?

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #769 on: November 05, 2015, 09:11:44 PM »
Anyone thinks an official statement will come out?
I think this happens all the time...

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #770 on: November 05, 2015, 09:12:28 PM »

I think this happens all the time...
The problem is that it was never official....

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #771 on: November 05, 2015, 09:12:57 PM »
Anyone thinks an official statement will come out?
;D
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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #772 on: November 05, 2015, 09:14:17 PM »
I booked one of these do I have to be worried about them cancelling the ticket?

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #773 on: November 05, 2015, 09:14:38 PM »
What's really weird is that they didn't stop the 3x from working, rather the rules changed to EoE not permitted..Is this what usually happens when they discover a dump?
I always wonder why don't they always block all EoEs why dit hey wait for FDs to be discovered first.
Whatever happens by blocking the EoEs instead of killing the 3x they essentially made sure no FDs can happen

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #774 on: November 05, 2015, 09:17:30 PM »
I always wonder why don't they always block all EoEs why dit hey wait for FDs to be discovered first.
Whatever happens by blocking the EoEs instead of killing the 3x they essentially made sure no FDs can happen
Exactly what I'm not getting. Unless it complicates matters for the airlines due to the interline agreements etc.

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #775 on: November 05, 2015, 09:18:48 PM »
I booked one of these do I have to be worried about them cancelling the ticket?
99% not. Unless you mess it up on your own
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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #776 on: November 05, 2015, 09:20:30 PM »
99% not. Unless you mess it up on your own
But if they specifically stopped this due to the 3x then why wouldn't they look through they're system and cancel the tickets?

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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #777 on: November 05, 2015, 09:21:01 PM »
Unless it complicates matters for the airlines due to the interline agreements etc.
That's right.  + other complications which is why these need constant fixing .
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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #778 on: November 05, 2015, 09:24:29 PM »
But if they specifically stopped this due to the 3x then why wouldn't they look through they're system and cancel the tickets?
1) They run into legal issues
2) Fixing it is done by a computer click,  cancelling is more complicated
3) More people have used and are still using FDs that were fixed but not canceled than the amount of folks who took advantage of this specific dump.
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Re: Trick-It Master Thread
« Reply #779 on: November 06, 2015, 04:00:32 AM »
waiting to hear MB's comments on this now  ;)
Well there is always the old fashion "I told you so"

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