Author Topic: Trick-It Master Thread (Read 203641 times)

Moishebatchy · « **Reply #220 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:14:56 PM »

Quote from: ycohen on August 26, 2015, 12:48:57 PM

So I guess since we are on the topic....When booking FD with a provider who does not calculate lap child fares and request me to call the airline direct after booking to price it out. Would calling airline to do this put the deal at risk? and if so, where can this be booked to include a lap child.

See, this is precisely why booking FD's is NOT for the unwashed masses!!!

Here, let me make this nice and clear for you: when booking a FD, you CANNOT call the airline for ANY reason. You cannot call to add an infant, you cannot call to order kosher meals, you cannot call to request seats, you cannot even call to check if your flight is running on time!!!! No human eye (belonging to an airline employee) can ever see your ticket, period. If it cannot be done online, then you cannot do it at all. The risk is too great. Capische?

Oh, and as far as changes/cancellations are concerned... YOU CANNOT CANCEL A FUEL DUMP TICKET. EVER. Even if it's cancel-able online, because online cancellations are often manually reviewed by human auditors. You spent $450 on a cheap ticket to Israel and now your work schedule changed? That's too bad, you're gonna have to eat the $450 loss and let your ticket go into the garbage. If you try to cancel, your greed in saving $450 can trigger the cancellation of tens of thousands of dollars of other people's fuel-dumped tickets. Think I'm exaggerating? I've seen it happen with my own eyes.

NOW do you people understand what I mean by the "dark side of FD"?!

And NOW do you see why we don't like when the newbie, "gimme a cheap ticket to Israel!!!!" crowd gets a hold of these?! Let me tell you, when someone from that crowd gets a hold of these fares and books his family of 10 people for $4,500 total, and then they have to cancel the trip for some reason, I GUARANTEE you he will not resist the temptation to cancel and get his $4,500 back. He WILL cancel to get his money back, and he WILL get the dump killed for many other people. And THAT is a big part of why veterans don't like it when newbies get their hands on this stuff.

/rant

aygart · « **Reply #221 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:15:50 PM »

Quote from: SearchGuy on August 26, 2015, 12:42:36 PM

OK so give the OP a HT and delete the thread, I think it's a win win situation

what exactly is a HT with now that the HT DOs are no longer happening?

SearchGuy · « **Reply #222 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:19:05 PM »

I hope Dan could see how many people are crying when seeing this thread, and those people are his veteran members!!!

Moishebatchy · « **Reply #223 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:23:24 PM »

Quote from: KidOOO on August 26, 2015, 12:53:57 PM

Yet you still added a direct link to this thread on 6628 posts on DDF

talk about some sense..

Quote from: Aj3042 on August 26, 2015, 01:08:38 PM

Yes I totally don't get that. Can someone please explain that logically? If you don't want it publicized why incorporate it into your signature?

It's quite simple: risk vs. reward.

Let's face it: a thread with a provocative title like "Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415" that keeps getting bumped up to the top of the Up In The Air section every 2 minutes is gonna get noticed anyway. It doesn't get too much more "publicized" than that. At that point, linking to it from my signature is only a small risk for additional exposure, with the possible reward that if it raises enough awareness for enough people to protest and make themselves heard, the thread would get deleted.

I have since removed my signature, however, because it is now clear that this thread isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I may as well use this thread as an opportunity to educate the public about the dark side of FD, so that the people who already have seen it and figured it out don't go all ape-crazy on the poor FD.

ycohen · « **Reply #224 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:24:12 PM »

Quote from: Moishebatchy on August 26, 2015, 01:14:56 PM

See, this is precisely why booking FD's is NOT for the unwashed masses!!!

Here, let me make this nice and clear for you: when booking a FD, you CANNOT call the airline for ANY reason. You cannot call to add an infant, you cannot call to order kosher meals, you cannot call to request seats, you cannot even call to check if your flight is running on time!!!! No human eye (belonging to an airline employee) can ever see your ticket, period. If it cannot be done online, then you cannot do it at all. The risk is too great. Capische?

Oh, and as far as changes/cancellations are concerned... YOU CANNOT CANCEL A FUEL DUMP TICKET. EVER. Even if it's cancel-able online, because online cancellations are often manually reviewed by human auditors. You spent $450 on a cheap ticket to Israel and now your work schedule changed? That's too bad, you're gonna have to eat the $450 loss and let your ticket go into the garbage. If you try to cancel, your greed in saving $450 can trigger the cancellation of tens of thousands of dollars of other people's fuel-dumped tickets. Think I'm exaggerating? I've seen it happen with my own eyes.

NOW do you people understand what I mean by the "dark side of FD"?!

And NOW do you see why we don't like when the newbie, "gimme a cheap ticket to Israel!!!!" crowd gets a hold of these?! Let me tell you, when someone from that crowd gets a hold of these fares and books his family of 10 people for $4,500 total, and then they have to cancel the trip for some reason, I GUARANTEE you he will not resist the temptation to cancel and get his $4,500 back. He WILL cancel to get his money back, and he WILL get the dump killed for many other people. And THAT is a big part of why veterans don't like it when newbies get their hands on this stuff.

/rant

FYI - completely unwarranted.

Quote from: ycohen on August 26, 2015, 01:13:08 PM

Agreed and hence why I was wondering if there were any other way to book infants without calling in. I have no intention to risk ruining it for other just for a couple $$.

Geez I think "Mr. 180" needs a vaca. Lets just hope after all of your ranting and drawing further attention to this post you can still find a flight somewhere;p

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #225 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:25:25 PM »

This has to be one of the best threads ever.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #226 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:27:32 PM »

Quote from: Moishebatchy on August 26, 2015, 12:55:20 PM

Actually, I did learn it on my own. I spent many hours reading the thread on FT, meeting other FDers and getting little bits and pieces of info, etc. until I finally started getting somewhere on my own. Only after I proved my worth - coming up with decent dumps on my own - did one of the "veterans" offer to speak to me on the phone and teach me some of the deeper stuff. He was the one who originally opened my eyes to the "dark side" of fuel dumping, which was a very sobering lesson for me.

Everyone say this 100 times then write it 100 times. Here is your golden goose and it is not just for FD's.

lunatic · « **Reply #227 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:27:57 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on August 26, 2015, 01:25:25 PM

This has to be one of the best threads ever.

And it's not even Friday

Emkay · « **Reply #228 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:28:00 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on August 26, 2015, 01:25:25 PM

This has to be one of the best threads ever.

Couldn't hold back any longer from this thread, could you?

Aj3042 · « **Reply #229 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:28:51 PM »

Quote from: Moishebatchy on August 26, 2015, 01:14:56 PM

See, this is precisely why booking FD's is NOT for the unwashed masses!!!

Here, let me make this nice and clear for you: when booking a FD, you CANNOT call the airline for ANY reason. You cannot call to add an infant, you cannot call to order kosher meals, you cannot call to request seats, you cannot even call to check if your flight is running on time!!!! No human eye (belonging to an airline employee) can ever see your ticket, period. If it cannot be done online, then you cannot do it at all. The risk is too great. Capische?

Oh, and as far as changes/cancellations are concerned... YOU CANNOT CANCEL A FUEL DUMP TICKET. EVER. Even if it's cancel-able online, because online cancellations are often manually reviewed by human auditors. You spent $450 on a cheap ticket to Israel and now your work schedule changed? That's too bad, you're gonna have to eat the $450 loss and let your ticket go into the garbage. If you try to cancel, your greed in saving $450 can trigger the cancellation of tens of thousands of dollars of other people's fuel-dumped tickets. Think I'm exaggerating? I've seen it happen with my own eyes.

NOW do you people understand what I mean by the "dark side of FD"?!

And NOW do you see why we don't like when the newbie, "gimme a cheap ticket to Israel!!!!" crowd gets a hold of these?! Let me tell you, when someone from that crowd gets a hold of these fares and books his family of 10 people for $4,500 total, and then they have to cancel the trip for some reason, I GUARANTEE you he will not resist the temptation to cancel and get his $4,500 back. He WILL cancel to get his money back, and he WILL get the dump killed for many other people. And THAT is a big part of why veterans don't like it when newbies get their hands on this stuff.

/rant

I hear-you definitely have good points and what your'e saying makes sense. You seem to know how to advance a case instead of just yelling.

jj1000 · « **Reply #230 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:30:20 PM »

Quote from: SearchGuy on August 26, 2015, 01:19:05 PM

I hope Dan could see how many people are crying when seeing this thread, and those people are his veteran members!!!

There are always more noobs than vets with a growing website. And the vets were once noobs.

Emkay · « **Reply #231 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:31:05 PM »

Quote from: jj1000 on August 26, 2015, 01:30:20 PM

And the vets were once noobs.

And sometimes still are

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #232 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:32:17 PM »

Quote from: Emkay on August 26, 2015, 01:28:00 PM

Couldn't hold back any longer from this thread, could you?

Someone just brought it to my attention.

jj1000 · « **Reply #233 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:33:39 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on August 26, 2015, 01:32:17 PM

Someone just brought it to my attention.

Please tell me you saw it in certain members signatures?

miller123 · « **Reply #234 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:35:43 PM »

sukkos tickets are gone
chanukah is still available

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #235 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:43:44 PM »

Quote from: jj1000 on August 26, 2015, 01:33:39 PM

Please tell me you saw it in certain members signatures?

No it was via PM but what members?

Moishebatchy · « **Reply #236 on:** August 26, 2015, 01:44:30 PM »

Quote from: ycohen on August 26, 2015, 01:24:12 PM

FYI - completely unwarranted.

Geez I think "Mr. 180" needs a vaca. Lets just hope after all of your ranting and drawing further attention to this post you can still find a flight somewhere;p

Very warranted, actually. You were one phone call away from killing this for everyone.

And get your facts straight, newbie - I'm not "Mr. 180". You have me confused with someone else. Kindly pay attention to the discussion, hmmm?

Quote from: Aj3042 on August 26, 2015, 01:28:51 PM