Will your federal taxes be going up or down next year?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I can do it for you. Whats your password?

HolyTrinity

[Work-for-ur-muny]

HolyTrinity

Case sensitive?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Case sensitive?

Of Course. Gives a new meaning to HT. 

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Low/middle class just got screwed big time. By the time this is over most of them will be paying more and the rich/corporations will be laughing all the way to the bank.

[avromie7]

Low/middle class just got screwed big time. By the time this is over most of them will be paying more and the rich/corporations will be laughing all the way to the bank.

That's not going to happen. Who exactly are these 'Corporations' you talk about? I've met rich people and poor people and everything in between, but I've never met a 'Corporation'.

[aygart]

That's not going to happen. Who exactly are these 'Corporations' you talk about? I've met rich people and poor people and everything in between, but I've never met a 'Corporation'.

Courts have ruled that Corporations are people....

[Boruch999]

HolyTrinity

Can we all now post from CMs account?

[Work-for-ur-muny]

Of Course. Gives a new meaning to HT. 

Wiki needs updating.

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[ChaimMoskowitz]

Who exactly are these 'Corporations' you talk about?

A corporation is a company or group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law.

[avromie7]

A corporation is a company or group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law.

In other words, that includes anyone who has a retirement account, like most of the middle class. The notion that helping corporations helps only the rich is ludicrous.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

In other words, that includes anyone who has a retirement account, like most of the middle class. The notion that helping corporations helps only the rich is ludicrous.

No one is saying it ONLY helps the rich. The rich and corporations benefit the must. If you believe that is the way it should be that is fine. Don't try and sell this tax bill as a low/middle/working class tax bill. That is all I am saying. This is a R's tax bill so we expect for the rich to benefit the most. Just stop with the BS to try and sell it. Just look at the temporary and permanent parts of the tax bill.

[shapsam]

No one is saying it ONLY helps the rich. The rich and corporations benefit the must. If you believe that is the way it should be that is fine. Don't try and sell this tax bill as a low/middle/working class tax bill. That is all I am saying. This is a R's tax bill so we expect for the rich to benefit the most. Just stop with the BS to try and sell it. Just look at the temporary and permanent parts of the tax bill.

Its only temporary that they should be able to pass it with 51 votes. If it would be permanent then it would cost more than 1.5 trillion and that would require 60 votes.

[avromie7]

No one is saying it ONLY helps the rich.

That's all I hear in the liberal media, "this is a tax cut for the rich at the expense of the poor and middle class"

[ChaimMoskowitz]

That's all I hear in the liberal media, "this is a tax cut for the rich at the expense of the poor and middle class"

I don't care about the liberal media. Just be honest about the tax bill. I expect the BS from D's and R's but not from members here.

[avromie7]

I don't care about the liberal media. Just be honest about the tax bill. I expect the BS from D's and R's but not from members here.

All along, your only complaint is that this bill is being portrayed as a tax cut for the middle class.

[skyguy918]

In other words, that includes anyone who has a retirement account, like most of the middle class. The notion that helping corporations helps only the rich is ludicrous.

And the notion that helping corporations helps all segments of the population equally is just as ludicrous.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

All along, your only complaint is that this bill is being portrayed as a tax cut for the middle class.

They have to portray it as middle class tax cut. That is what Trump promised. I personally would like to see a tax cut targeting the middle class. Not a tax cut that relies on trickle down.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

And the notion that helping corporations helps all segments of the population equally is just as ludicrous.

Like corporations are going to increase there portion of retirement and health care contributions. Or all workers now should expect a pay increase and profit sharing check. 

[avromie7]

They have to portray it as middle class tax cut. That is what Trump promised. I personally would like to see a tax cut targeting the middle class. Not a tax cut that relies on trickle down.

The middle class do receive a big tax cut, in individual income taxes, in pass thru businesses, and in corporate taxes. Why does it bother you that the rich gain too?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

The middle class do receive a big tax cut, in individual income taxes, in pass thru businesses, and in corporate taxes. Why does it bother you that the rich gain too?

My parents taught me the haves should help the have-nots. This bill does the opposite.

You keep claiming the middle class is getting a big tax cut. What is big in your mind then we will figure out how much corporations are getting.