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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2014, 08:41:08 PM »
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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2014, 08:42:43 PM »
IIRC there's a machlokes on whether you need a hechsher for these things.
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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2014, 08:44:47 PM »
IIRC there's a machlokes on whether you need a hechsher for these things.
Rinse Aid specifically, or all soaps in general?

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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2014, 08:47:08 PM »
Dishwasher soap in general.
Costco sells OU soap, works for me.
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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2014, 08:52:02 PM »
IIRC there's a machlokes about everything.

FTFY.

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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2014, 08:57:09 PM »
From the cRc:

Q: Does dishwashing detergents require a hechsher?

A: No. All dishwashing detergents in all forms are recommended without a hechsher.

Source:
http://matzav.com/chicago-rabbinical-council-top-ten-kashrus-questions-for-april-2013

and

https://twitter.com/cRcKosher/status/466281854643892224

and then there's the OU (La Kosher Nostra):

http://oukosher.org/faqs/dishwashing-detergent/
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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2014, 09:01:37 PM »
Star-K:
Soap is usually made from non-kosher fat. Detergent is made from chemicals.
The soaps are pagum (have a bad taste) and do not cause a kashrus problem with dishes, but nevertheless we recommend soap with a hechsher. If it’s a detergent it doesn’t need a hechsher.
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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2014, 09:03:34 PM »
OU:
It is generally assumed that dishwashing detergents are not edible entities, and halachically they do not have a non-kosher status, even if they contain non-kosher ingredients, as is often the case. Nonetheless, some Poskim maintain that it has been the established minhag Yisroel (Jewish custom) to use kosher detergents on plates, pots and utensils that come in contact with food. An OU on a detergent insures the kosher status of that product. That said, if one used non-certified dishwashing detergent, Bidieved (after the fact), the kosher status of the utensils would not be compromised.
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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2014, 09:04:36 PM »
OK:
Dish soap, cleanser, and scouring pads used for dishes and pots do not require kosher certification, but it is a universal custom to use products that are certified kosher if they are available.
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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2014, 09:08:41 PM »
So the businesses say no and the non-profit says yes.  Cue  my skepticism...

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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2014, 09:13:00 PM »
I grew up in a family where they laughed whenever "Brooklyn" decided non-food items needed a hechsher, such as plates, cups, tablecloths, etc. So it's very hard for me to accept that a "Minhag has been established" to use certified soaps. I would imagine that Minhag exists in certain communities and not others, even if it's the OU saying it exists. Nonetheless, obviously asking one's Rav is the right way to go.

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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2014, 09:23:12 PM »
Who's universal custom are they reffering to?

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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2014, 09:28:48 PM »
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/hechsher-on-soaps-and-sponges#post-210556

This YW thread is a perfect example of an axiom I heard described recently. 

It used to be that being an Orthodox Jew was hard.  Now that it's so easy, many feel that they have to add chumras and made-up halachos because they feel that they don't get credit unless it's hard.  And the for-profit kashrus organizations laugh all the way to the bank...


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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2014, 10:59:06 PM »
Just pointing out that the question of non kosher soap is not a modern issue. So there is definitely a possibility of an established minhag which should not necessarily be dismissed.


ETA See sources in the yw thread :)

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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2014, 01:39:29 AM »
Say what you want about the issue, but to say that kashrus organizations are changing a psak because of money without any proof is disgusting and pure loshon hara.
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Re: Finish Jet Dry Rinse Agent Solid, 2.68 Ounce - $0.81 or less + FS @ Amazon
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2014, 02:17:27 AM »
http://www.kashrut.com/Alerts/Cascade.pdf

They actually were (are?) coated with gelatin. Whether that is an issue or not was discussed, but I think it would be understandable for people to want to know that.