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Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« on: April 19, 2023, 11:31:06 AM »
Interesting question:
https://dinonline.org/2023/04/18/when-erev-shabbos-and-rosh-chodesh-coincide/
Question:
I saw in the Kitzur S”A that one can get a haircut and get married this Friday when it is both Erev Shabbos and Rosh Chodesh, even though one is keeping the first half of Sefiras HaOmer. 2 Questions:
1. Do Ashkenazim Pasken like that?

2. Can one also listen to music as well?
Thank you for all you do!
Answer:
Hello,

Although there is controversy about this, the Mishna Berura, Shulchan Aruch Horav, and Kitzur Shulchan Aruch all say that it is permitted.
Music is not allowed. The reason why some poskim permit haircuts, is specifically since Rosh Chodesh is on Shabbos, and the haircut is being done for kavod of Shabbos, the double simcha of Shabbos and Rosh Chodesh permits it. Having a wedding on Friday is also permitted according to this because the main simcha will be during the meal, which will be at night. This is a specific heter for these things, it does not negate the day from being one of the sefira days. Therefore, since listening to music on Friday is not part of the simcha and kavod of Shabbos, it would not be permitted.
Best wishes

Sources:
א) שכנה”ג (סי’ תצ”ג הגב”י ס”ק ד’) – “אם חל ר”ח אייר בשבת, נושאין בו אפילו לנוהגים בו איסור בחל בחול. ב”ח בשם הגהות מנהגים [שם, אות לו]. ובודאי דנושאין בו דקאמר ביום ששי שלפניו, דביום שבת עצמו אסור לכנוס, כמ”ש הרמב”ם [אישות פ”י הי”ד] והרא”ש [כתובות פ”א סי’ ג’] ורבנו בעל הטורים באבן העזר סימן ס”ד סעיף ה’. ויראה שה”ה להסתפר”.
ב) גר”ז (סי’ תצ”ג סעי’ ח’) – “אף להנוהגין איסור גם עד ר”ח אייר מכל מקום אם חל בשבת כיון שיש כאן תוספת שמחה שבת ור”ח יש להתיר להסתפר בערב שבת מפני כבוד השבת וגם לישא אשה בו ביום כיון שעיקר סעודת הנשואין יהיה בשבת וראש חודש”.

ג) קיצור שו”ע (סי’ ק”כ סעי’ ו’) – “אך כשחל ראש חדש אייר בשבת, דיש בו שתי קדושות, קדושת שבת וקדושת ראש חדש אז מתירין לישא וכן להסתפר בערב שבת”.

ד) מ”ב (סי’ תצ”ג ס”ק ה’) – “ואף להנוהגין איסור גם עד ר”ח אייר מ”מ אם חל ר”ח בשבת כיון שיש כאן תוספת שמחה שבת ור”ח יש להתיר להסתפר בע”ש מפני כבוד השבת וגם לישא אשה בו ביום כיון שעיקר הסעודה יהיה בשבת ור”ח”.

ה) קובץ הלכות (ספה”ע פרק ח’ סעי’ ט’) – “כשחל ראש חודש אייר בשבת, אפילו הנוהגים איסור מפסח עד ל”ג בעומר מותרים להסתפר בערב שבת לכבוד השבת

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Re: Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2023, 11:56:00 AM »
*Those who keep R' Yehuda Hachasid's minhag not to cut hair on Rosh Chodesh, may do so on Thursday this week after Chatzos!

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Re: Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2023, 12:17:20 PM »
*Those who keep R' Yehuda Hachasid's minhag not to cut hair on Rosh Chodesh, may do so on Thursday this week after Chatzos!
Source?
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Re: Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2023, 12:45:50 PM »
Those who follow the Arizal of not cutting entire Sefira do not cut at all this week

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Re: Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2023, 12:48:29 PM »
Source?
Ask your LOR (I did mine)!

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Re: Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2023, 12:54:51 PM »
Ask your LOR (I did mine)!
Never present personal psakim as public even if it seems to be the same for everyone. Instead say that this is the psak you got and AYLOR.
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Re: Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2023, 01:29:33 PM »
QUESTION: For those who began observing the sefirah restrictions on the second night of Pesach, is there any special dispensation to take a haircut or a shave on Rosh Chodesh Iyar when it falls on a Friday [and Shabbos] – as it does this year?

DISCUSSSION: Mishnah Berurah,(1) followed by almost all of the poskim,(2) rules that when Rosh Chodesh Iyar falls on a Friday, it is permitted to take a haircut or a shave that Friday, even for those who are already in the midst of the sefirah mourning restrictions. This exception (which is for haircut and shaving only – not for other sefirah restrictions such as listening to music) is permitted in honor of the double occasion of Shabbos and Rosh Chodesh.(3)

Mishnah Berurah, however, does not clearly address whether or not this also applies to those who follow the special restriction recorded in the Will and Testament of Rabbi Yehudah Hachasid never to take a haircut or a shave on any Rosh Chodesh throughout the year, even if Rosh Chodesh falls on Friday.(4) Other poskim, however, do discuss this issue directly: Some hold that Rosh Chodesh Iyar is an exception and permit taking a haircut or a shave on Friday, Rosh Chodesh Iyar;(5) others maintain that Rosh Chodesh Iyar is not an exception and is no different from any other Rosh Chodesh;(6) while a third opinion suggests that one should take a haircut or a shave on Thursday afternoon after chatzos.(7) One should consult his rav as to which opinion to follow.

1 O.C. 493:5.

2 A dissenting view is quoted by Kaf ha-Chayim 493:42.

3 If, for some reason, one will be unable to take a haircut or shave on Friday, it is permitted to do so on Thursday night.

4 As quoted by Mishnah Berurah 260:7.

5 Harav M. Feinstein (quoted in L’Torah V’horahah, vol. 2, pg. 20); Harav Y. Kamenetsky (Emes L’yaakov O.C. 260:1). Note, however, that even according to this opinion, only those who are already observing the sefirah restrictions may be lenient on Rosh Chodesh. Those who customairly begin sefirah restrictions on Rosh Chodesh should do so this year as well and take their haircut and shave on Thursday.

6 Harav Y. Y. Kanievsky (quoted in by Harav C. Kanievsky in Bein Pesach L’shavuos, pg. 246.)

7 Kaf ha-Chayim 493:47, quoting several poskim.

Source: https://torah.org/torah-portion/weekly-halacha-5766-tazria/
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Re: Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2023, 01:30:25 PM »
Never present personal psakim as public even if it seems to be the same for everyone. Instead say that this is the psak you got and AYLOR.
Like the OP? Is anything 100% universal :)

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Re: Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2023, 01:35:13 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2023, 01:43:11 PM »
3 If, for some reason, one will be unable to take a haircut or shave on Friday, it is permitted to do so on Thursday night.
He doesn’t give a source for this. In hilchos aveilus we do find that when there is a heter for לכבוד שבת it should be done close to shabbos so it should be ניכר that it is לכבוד שבת. Not sure why this is different.

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Re: Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2023, 04:02:22 AM »
I didn't read the thread. But this is what I just posted in Random Halacha, if it helps anyone.

This was just sent out in Rabbi Berkovits's name:No sources; just sent out like this.
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Those who keep R' Yehuda Hachasid's minhag not to cut hair on Rosh Chodesh may do so on Thursday this week. Those who don't keep the minhag may do so on Erev Shabbos.
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Re: Erev Shabbos - Rosh Chodesh during Sefira
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2023, 05:43:58 AM »
New update: Rabbi Stilerman just sent out an edition of Dor Hamilaktim and a Sukas Chaim on this subject. The files are attached.
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