Israeli politics and hashkafah/daas torah

[Moshe Green]

https://open.substack.com/pub/ploinusalmoinus/p/i-dont-care-about-the-hostages

Poll:
What is your first response when reading this:
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[imayid2]

This is probably the place to share Breaking Daas Torah Developments
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2357831/must-listen-rabbi-aharon-lopiansky-shlita-daas-torah-and-vaccine-advice-knowing-the-difference-video.html

[aygart]

This is probably the place to share Breaking Daas Torah Developments
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2357831/must-listen-rabbi-aharon-lopiansky-shlita-daas-torah-and-vaccine-advice-knowing-the-difference-video.html

Rav spent time with shepherds to learn about mumin

[moish145]

This is probably the place to share Breaking Daas Torah Developments
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2357831/must-listen-rabbi-aharon-lopiansky-shlita-daas-torah-and-vaccine-advice-knowing-the-difference-video.html

100% but now he needs to do a Q&A for the rabannim to tell them not to take questions they don't know the answers to. I get he's saying you shouldn't ask but if the rabanim give an opinion then daas torah says you have to listen. Al yemin shehu smol etc...

[yfr bachur]

100% but now he needs to do a Q&A for the rabannim to tell them not to take questions they don't know the answers to. I get he's saying you shouldn't ask but if the rabanim give an opinion then daas torah says you have to listen. Al yemin shehu smol etc...

Why is that true?
If you ask your "daas torah" to tell you how to diy install an hvac system or how to build a crm, his answer doesn't become something that's "daas torah". Its just the uneducated opinion of a person who knows a lot of torah and nothing about plumbing or programming.

[aygart]

100% but now he needs to do a Q&A for the rabannim to tell them not to take questions they don't know the answers to. I get he's saying you shouldn't ask but if the rabanim give an opinion then daas torah says you have to listen. Al yemin shehu smol etc...

Does daas torah say you have to listen and go into a collapsing building because the Rebbe said it will stand until moshiach comes?

[dasmo801]

100% but now he needs to do a Q&A for the rabannim to tell them not to take questions they don't know the answers to. I get he's saying you shouldn't ask but if the rabanim give an opinion then daas torah says you have to listen. Al yemin shehu smol etc...

What he's saying is devarim peshutim and until 20 years ago no one would think there was the slightest chiddush in any of it, at least in the litvishe world.

The takeaway from what he's saying is "use your brain".
Your conclusion doesn't follow that directive

[zh cohen]

This is probably the place to share Breaking Daas Torah Developments
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2357831/must-listen-rabbi-aharon-lopiansky-shlita-daas-torah-and-vaccine-advice-knowing-the-difference-video.html

If the question is about vaccines, ask a medical expert. If it’s a shalom bayis question, ask a Rav.

Why is he saying to ask a Rav shalom basis questions, and not a therapist?

[mevinyavin]

Rabbi Berkovits has said that you should ask your questions to the biggest person you can find who can give your question the time and the expertise it needs, knowing all of your background necessary for the question. Thus, he said as an example, you shouldn't ask Rav Chaim (zatzal) if you should buy a car.
However, his advice was, if Rav Chaim chooses to answer such a question, you should listen to him. It may not be muchrach but Rav Chaim is Rav Chaim...

[dasmo801]

Why is he saying to ask a Rav shalom basis questions, and not a therapist?

A therapist can (maybe) help a person realize what they want and how to get there but who says that's what Hashem wants?

[dasmo801]

Why is that true?
If you ask your "daas torah" to tell you how to diy install an hvac system or how to build a crm, his answer doesn't become something that's "daas torah". Its just the uneducated opinion of a person who knows a lot of torah and nothing about plumbing or programming.

My Rosh Yeshivas moshel for this was, if I ask Rashi what time it is and his watched stopped so he gives me the wrong time, would anyone think that I know have to believe that that's the time?

[jye]

This is probably the place to share Breaking Daas Torah Developments
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2357831/must-listen-rabbi-aharon-lopiansky-shlita-daas-torah-and-vaccine-advice-knowing-the-difference-video.html

I think that during Covid it became clear to many that there is a place for consulting one’s own clear and objective and discerning Daas Torah even in medical areas, specifically regarding when to take the medical establishment at face value and when to cut through the noise and hysteria to critically question medical orthodoxy and get a sense of what is known medical fact, and what is (perhaps excessive) medical caution or just the party line. Saying this as someone who took every vaccine except for Covid.

Hearing a well known Rabbi/doctor yelling that blowing all 100 kolos or blowing a shofar indoors could kill people long after Covid was clearly not the threat it had once been clearly drove this home for me.

[moish145]

My Rosh Yeshivas moshel for this was, if I ask Rashi what time it is and his watched stopped so he gives me the wrong time, would anyone think that I know have to believe that that's the time?

Rashi wouldn't be giving you the time as daas torah. Any rav who publicly gives an opinion on whether or not to vaccinate is doing so with their authority as a gadol. I'm not saying that you then have to believe he has all the medical facts right but regardless he is saying that you should or should not vaccinate - even though most rabanim will admit they don't have all possible information rather have spoken to sources they trust.

Besides, if I know myself that with all the online research I can do I still won't know if BigPharma is conspiring to kill all of us or if they are manufacturing safe and efective vaccines, and I don't have a doctor I trust 100% to ask, I think that the question of whether to give your kids the MMR does become a moral question of weighing up risk vs benefit as well as Chilul Hashem and everything else that goes ino the shaila.

[Chuchum Ainer]

Why is he saying to ask a Rav shalom basis questions, and not a therapist?

Dunno specifically his reasons, but personally I believe a proper Rav has or should have the sensitivity and experience to guide people through the common issues that plague many people. And at the very least should be a first stop to know when to reccomend seeing a therapist.

(https://rebgershonribner.com/mentors-game-plan-upon-being-apprised-that-his-pupil-is-a-wife-abuser binigud to his shita, that we're all doomed anyway, so no normal Rosh Kolel or rav or rebi should risk himself and get involved, and for sure no divorces are on the table, and basically you have no responsibility and no agency)

[zh cohen]

Dunno specifically his reasons, but personally I believe a proper Rav has or should have the sensitivity and experience to guide people through the common issues that plague many people. And at the very least should be a first stop to know when to reccomend seeing a therapist.

I agree. But why can't that extend to giving guidance and direction (as opposed to a psak) on common medical issues?

To be clear, I am not arguing on his maskanah that the question of vaccines is one for a medical professional, just trying to understand more clearly where he draws the line.

[mevinyavin]

Rashi wouldn't be giving you the time as daas torah. Any rav who publicly gives an opinion on whether or not to vaccinate is doing so with their authority as a gadol. I'm not saying that you then have to believe he has all the medical facts right but regardless he is saying that you should or should not vaccinate - even though most rabanim will admit they don't have all possible information rather have spoken to sources they trust.

Besides, if I know myself that with all the online research I can do I still won't know if BigPharma is conspiring to kill all of us or if they are manufacturing safe and efective vaccines, and I don't have a doctor I trust 100% to ask, I think that the question of whether to give your kids the MMR does become a moral question of weighing up risk vs benefit as well as Chilul Hashem and everything else that goes ino the shaila.

Rabbi Berkovits consulted with people in the IL and UK governments as well as various doctors and Rav Osher Weiss before providing guidance on the matter. He has said explicitly that you can't give guidance without knowing the facts, but I trusted his brain more than anyone else I've heard from re: seeing through the noise and determining what daas Torah should be based on the facts.
So far as I am concerned, anyone who did not do whatever research was required to answer the question isn't answering the question - rather, they are answering some OTHER question which is not relevant. Thus, for example, you have stiros in Rav Elyashiv or Rav Chaim's teshuvos because they were not answering the same question...