NY Times vs. Chassidim

[flyingace]

That's a long complicated story that requires a lot of context and history.
 

And don't forget that most of the programs funded for the non-public schools are mandated by the government.

[Yehuda57]

Wow, I forgot we had that conversation. Not complicated at all.
No need to rehash so I will give my cliff notes.
Public schools - public funds
Private schools - private funds

And that doesn't change no matter who takes over the school board. PS money is not being funneled into private schools

[imayid2]

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2124590/youre-next-senator-calls-new-yorks-attack-on-yeshivas-a-threat-to-all-religions.html

New York State Senator Mike Martucci (R-42) didn’t parse words in describing the potentially disastrous effects of the NYS Board of Regents’ recent decision on updating substantial equivalency education standards.

“The move this week by the Board of Regents to allow local school boards to regulate the curriculums of private religious schools will have significant and negative impacts on the residents of Orange County,” the senator wrote in a Facebook post.“Previously, private religious schools in the Hasidic community managed their own affairs and therefore had little reason to involve themselves in secular school board politics. However, with this change from the State Department of Education we will see a wave of Hasidic candidates running for school board seats in order to protect their first amendment rights to freedom of religion.

“This will not only lead to strife and conflict in our community, but it may also lead to negative educational consequences for children as it has already in the case of the East Ramapo School District in Rockland County. This action by the Board of Regents was a huge mistake. Simply put, parents should make decisions about what kind of education is best for their kids and private and public schools should manage their own affairs without interfering with one another. I call on the State Education Department and the Board of Regents to reverse this decision immediately because its wrong for our students and bad for our community.

“Remember today it’s largely targeted at Yeshiva’s- tomorrow it could be your local Catholic or Christian School that’s in the crosshairs. State Power has been misused again and again starting with dropping the religious exemption from vaccination. If we don’t start saying no this will never stop.”

[CountValentine]

And that doesn't change no matter who takes over the school board. PS money is not being funneled into private schools

I am sure the other side would disagree. 

[Yehuda57]

I am sure the other side would disagree. 

Well, let them PUOSU

[CountValentine]

“Remember today it’s largely targeted at Yeshiva’s- tomorrow it could be your local Catholic or Christian School that’s in the crosshairs.”

These politicians use this BS every time. This ruling targeted 1800 schools with many being Catholic and Christian.

[CountValentine]

Well, let them PUOSU

The google search I did shows they did. Didn't they have a court ruling in their favor?

[imayid2]

These politicians use this BS every time. This ruling targeted 1800 schools with many being Catholic and Christian.

Targeted or affected?

[CountValentine]

Targeted or affected?

Take you pick but if anyone should be outraged it should be the Catholics.
Number of private schools.
Catholic - 578
Jewish - 272
Christian - 105

[Pony]

Take you pick but if anyone should be outraged it should be the Catholics.
Number of private schools.
Catholic - 578
Jewish - 272
Christian - 105

Yes but this was part of an orchestrated campaign spearheaded by YAFED against the orthodox schools. Point that the senator is making as I understand it is: today it was an illegitimate campaign targeting orthodox schools by those who have a bone to pick with them and tomorrow it may be other religious schools...

[yerushabubby]

Take you pick but if anyone should be outraged it should be the Catholics.
Number of private schools.
Catholic - 578
Jewish - 272
Christian - 105

What percentage of the school day does a typical 3rd grade catholic school class devote to secular studies, and what percent to religious studies?  CMIIW, but I was always under the impression that the main reason that Christians send to their own schools is to better impart their morals to the students.

In Jewish schools, the students have a large amount of religious material to cover each day - prayer, Jewish law, Chumash, Jewish History etc.  As the boys get closer to the point at which they start learning Gemarra, they are taught critical thinking skills as well, taking up even more of their day. 

[S209]

Yes, it mentions Rockland.I can see that as a major problem and a source of resentment.

Why? It’s perfectly ordinary for people on school boards to send their children to private schools. The majority of the served public voted for them in free and fair elections. Is that ok in Phoenix but not in Monsey?

Let me guess. It’s because they’re recognizably Orthodox and the Orthodox are an evil monolith.

[S209]

These politicians use this BS every time. This ruling targeted 1800 schools with many being Catholic and Christian.

Don’t I recall someone saying something can be discrimination against a specific group even if it’s broad and vague?

[CountValentine]

Why? It’s perfectly ordinary for people on school boards to send their children to private schools. The majority of the served public voted for them in free and fair elections. Is that ok in Phoenix but not in Monsey?

Let me guess. It’s because they’re recognizably Orthodox and the Orthodox are an evil monolith.

What is your problem?

[Dan]

Why? It’s perfectly ordinary for people on school boards to send their children to private schools. The majority of the served public voted for them in free and fair elections. Is that ok in Phoenix but not in Monsey?

Let me guess. It’s because they’re recognizably Orthodox and the Orthodox are an evil monolith.

I hear the counter argument that people who would never send their kids to a public school don't belong on the school board.

But as @Yehuda57 noted, there comes a point where if you need to assert yourself to get basic services like funding for bussing and special education, people will do that.

Locally, the school board has been doing outreach to the Orthodox to have them provide input so that they'll be more likely to vote for tax levys and new facilities. Nobody has run for the school board yet, but someone easily could get on it.

[Yehuda57]

I hear the counter argument that people who would never send their kids to a public school don't belong on the school board.

But as @Yehuda57 noted, there comes a point where if you need to assert yourself to get basic services like funding for bussing and special education, people will do that.

Locally, the school board has been doing outreach to the Orthodox to have them provide input so that they'll be more likely to vote for tax levys and new facilities. Nobody has run for the school board yet, but someone easily could get on it.

Wouldn't school choice alleviate many of the potential issues?

[Dan]

Wouldn't school choice alleviate many of the potential issues?

Vouchers are only available locally in failing school districts. Personally I don't live in one, but a good chunk of the community does.
Previously those funds came out of local city coffers, so there was a lot of animosity about that, but now the state covers the voucher costs.

[CountValentine]

I hear the counter argument that people who would never send their kids to a public school don't belong on the school board.

There is no counter argument. They are all a bunch on antisemites. Just ask @S209

[CountValentine]

Wouldn't school choice alleviate many of the potential issues?

No.

[Yehuda57]

There is no counter argument. They are all a bunch on antisemites. Just ask @S209

If you listen to the recordings of the school board meetings, read the social media posts by elected officials and residents alike, read the news coverage, there is more than a "Dan discovers the Mint" amount of antisemitism. Like car bombs set off under rabbis' cars amounts. So maybe cut him a little slack, 'cause he ain't exaggerating this time