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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #160 on: January 30, 2023, 03:07:30 PM »
If you want to go with the category of Mussarei Chazal, then is it a far leap to Aggadetah Gemara?

It is not, but that is not what is being discussed.
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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #161 on: January 30, 2023, 03:07:42 PM »
The Chofetz Chaim actually writes that the concept of K'melamda Tiflus was applicable back then and isn't useful now. Please read the original source: Likutei Halachos Sotah 21b

What an absurd thought to even think that the C"C essentially erases an open Gemara and Halacha because times have changed. He writes specifically on תורה שבכתב on which chazal say אינו כמלמדה תפלות.

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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #162 on: January 30, 2023, 03:10:09 PM »
What an absurd thought to even think that the C"C essentially erases an open Gemara and Halacha because times have changed. He writes specifically on תורה שבכתב on which chazal say אינו כמלמדה תפלות.
He doesn't erase the Gemara. He says that we need to teach certain things because we no longer have the strength in Yiddishkeit we once did

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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #163 on: January 30, 2023, 03:10:57 PM »
He doesn't erase the Gemara. He says that we need to teach certain things because we no longer have the strength in Yiddishkeit we once did
Are you following the conversation?

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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #164 on: January 30, 2023, 03:11:43 PM »
It is not, but that is not what is being discussed.
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He clearly puts it into a category of מוסרי חז״ל. This has nothing to to with learning Gemara and any insinuation otherwise is a horrific distortion.

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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #165 on: January 30, 2023, 03:12:49 PM »
[Quote author=imayid2 He clearly puts it into a category of מוסרי חז״ל. This has nothing to to with learning Gemara and any insinuation otherwise is a horrific distortion.
Aggadeta?

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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #166 on: January 30, 2023, 03:14:06 PM »
He doesn't erase the Gemara. He says that we need to teach certain things because we no longer have the strength in Yiddishkeit we once did

He is not permitting anything that Chazal and the Sh"A says כאילו מלמדה תפלות, period. He talks specifically on what they say אף שאין ללמדה לכתחילה אבל המלמדה אינו כמלמדה תפלות.

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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #167 on: January 30, 2023, 03:14:12 PM »
Aggadeta?
I know some Modox places will only teach girls Aggadeta. I would assume that's based on their extension of the C"C's Heter

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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #168 on: January 30, 2023, 03:14:26 PM »


What makes you think that anyone other than yourself is limiting the word Gemara to be referring to only agadeta?
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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #169 on: January 30, 2023, 03:15:17 PM »
I know some Modox places will only teach girls Aggadeta. I would assume that's based on their extension of the C"C's Heter

Some. Many yeshivish seminaries will teach some too.
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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #170 on: January 30, 2023, 03:16:25 PM »
How about Chmash with Rashi in depth, that's where things become complicated.

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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #171 on: January 30, 2023, 03:21:12 PM »
I know some Modox places will only teach girls Aggadeta. I would assume that's based on their extension of the C"C's Heter
I do not think Rabbi Jachter is discussing aggadata but it’s a valiant limud zchus.

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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #172 on: January 30, 2023, 03:28:33 PM »
I do not think Rabbi Jachter is discussing aggadata but it’s a valiant limud zchus.

Whether he is or isn't, the facts on the ground are that a number of schools definitely teach more than agadeta.
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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #173 on: January 30, 2023, 03:30:52 PM »
Whether he is or isn't, the facts on the ground are that a number of schools definitely teach more than agadeta.

I'm sure such well learned girls are wearing burkas too.

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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #174 on: January 31, 2023, 02:01:24 AM »
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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #175 on: January 31, 2023, 02:43:57 AM »
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Re: “Torah true schools”?
« Reply #177 on: August 16, 2023, 09:48:24 AM »