CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS

[CountValentine]

I wonder if some of the same words to describe Biden were used against Regan and Bush?
Conspiring with Hamas
Hamas leader
backstabber
traitor

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-s-pause-of-military-aid-to-israel-has-long-historical-precedent/ar-BB1mdbgb?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=d9fa4f06df5c45668d1961c8f26f1d5b&ei=36
Biden's pause of military aid to Israel has long historical precedent

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/us/politics/biden-reagan-israel.html
Biden Is Not the First U.S. President to Cut Off Weapons to Israel

Seems Israel has a history of operating in the gray area. I am sure the US has also, but they are not being portrayed as choir boys.

[CountValentine]

Ignore the anti-Israel guy. Listen to the interview. I have been asking this with out getting an answer. The interview makes it perfectly clear.

[aygart]

You can be 100% right but that doesn't solve the US/Israel problem.

I am trying to judge him favorably because I didn't think he is an anti Semite. If this is all from Biden wanting them to sacrifice soldiers to avoid civilian deaths under these circumstances it is not something the US has done and would not do nor has any other country been expected to do that. You know what we call people who have a different set of expectations for Israel over other countries.

[CountValentine]

If this is all from Biden wanting them to sacrifice soldiers to avoid civilian deaths under these circumstances it is not something the US has done and would not do nor has any other country been expected to do that.

In all recent wars the US has done it. They didn't just carpet bomb everything.

[aygart]

In all recent wars the US has done it. They didn't just carpet bomb everything.

Israel didn't carpet bomb either. All evidence points to a better civilian death ratio that US wars

[CountValentine]

All evidence points to a better civilian death ratio that US wars

This is a talking point. What numbers are they using? They are not using their numbers as they refuse to say how many civilian deaths.

[aygart]

This is a talking point. What numbers are they using? They are not using their numbers as they refuse to say how many civilian deaths.

I haven't seen any numbers from anyone that suggested anything different

[sorotzkin9]

This is a talking point. What numbers are they using? They are not using their numbers as they refuse to say how many civilian deaths.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/apr/18/israels-war-against-hamas-posts-lower-civilian-to-/
This uses the max which is hamas numbers and still shows Israel performed better than the US

[CountValentine]

I haven't seen any numbers from anyone that suggested anything different

I posted a couple articles how the numbers are manipulated.
There are a ton of variables involved. Everyone will use the ones that support their narrative.
The only numbers I have seen is from Hamas.

[CountValentine]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/apr/18/israels-war-against-hamas-posts-lower-civilian-to-/
This uses the max which is hamas numbers and still shows Israel performed better than the US

Incorrect as you are accepting the numbers provided by Israel as fact.

[sorotzkin9]

Incorrect as you are accepting the numbers provided by Israel as fact.

Are you implying that Israel is overstating the number of terrorists killed?

[CountValentine]

Are you implying that Israel is overstating the number of terrorists killed?

I am stating Israel knows how many civilians were killed but won't say. Why?

[sorotzkin9]

I am stating Israel knows how many civilians were killed but won't say. Why?

I agree that's weird, but that article is going with Hamas numbers which are most likely inflated and still proves the above point. So why not acknowledge that?

[aygart]

I posted a couple articles how the numbers are manipulated.
There are a ton of variables involved. Everyone will use the ones that support their narrative.
The only numbers I have seen is from Hamas.

I am sure they are manipulated but even cutting the Israeli numbers drastically they would still be in line with other less embedded enemies.

[CountValentine]

I agree that's weird, but that article is going with Hamas numbers which are most likely inflated and still proves the above point. So why not acknowledge that?

I don't trust the numbers Israel is providing because anyone can see they are hiding something.
Let's say after a bomb drops or firefight they survey the area. 100 are dead. They label 30 of them as terrorist. They leaves 70 as civilians. This isn't rocket science.

What if the numbers they have are 14k terrorist and 11k civilians. Would you believe that?

[CountValentine]

I am sure they are manipulated but even cutting the Israeli numbers drastically they would still be in line with other less embedded enemies.

What is the ratio to bombs dropped to civilians killed?
Everyone is using their own numbers and metrics.

[yelped]

This is a talking point. What numbers are they using? They are not using their numbers as they refuse to say how many civilian deaths.

Netanyahu recently gave an estimate that jives with the numbers Aizenstark and others have been stating as statistically possible (as opposed to Hamas numbers which are not).

[CountValentine]

Netanyahu recently gave an estimate that jives with the numbers Aizenstark and others have been stating as statistically possible (as opposed to Hamas numbers which are not).

How civilians did he say?

[aygart]

What is the ratio to bombs dropped to civilians killed?
Everyone is using their own numbers and metrics.

Why is that relevant at all

[CountValentine]

Why is that relevant at all

Some say that is the most relevant metric.
Are the bombs you drop killing civilians and at what rate?