CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS

[avromie7]

It has been so long when was the last hostage released?

You said this is the way to get the hostages home. I'm trying to figure out what progress you've seen over the past 3 months.

[CountValentine]

You said this is the way to get the hostages home. I'm trying to figure out what progress you've seen over the past 3 months.

There is constant bombing/fighting all over Gaza. Hamas is now popping back up in north. It has not resulted in hostages being released. A temporary cease fire is no longer beneficial to Hamas. You can bomb them all you want.

When was the last hostage released?

[CountValentine]

When was the last hostage released?

Was it the end of November?

[gozalim]

Not hurting hamas will certainly not encourage them to negotiate.
And based on their crying, going into rafah is the hardest hurt they got

[CountValentine]

Not hurting hamas will certainly not encourage them to negotiate.
And based on their crying, going into rafah is the hardest hurt they got

It looked like there was going to be a deal. Israel put the pressure on with going into rafah. Hamas responded with the PR stunt of accepting a cease fire. The pressure is not working. Every day I hate say it, but more hostages are probably dying.

[gozalim]

It looked like there was going to be a deal. Israel put the pressure on with going into rafah. Hamas responded with the PR stunt of accepting a cease fire. The pressure is not working. Every day I hate say it, but more hostages are probably dying.

the last time they're was a deal was when they were actively going into places.
For all the months of 'pausing' before rafah, they're was no offer of a deal.
The threat of rafah brought them to the table, until us 'pressure' emboldened them

[zh cohen]

It looked like there was going to be a deal.

Source?

[CountValentine]

Source?

News reports.
Admin even said Hamas should take the most generous deal from Israel.

ETA: https://www.timesofisrael.com/agreeing-to-gaza-truce-deal-should-be-a-no-brainer-for-hamas-blinken-says/
Agreeing to Gaza truce deal should be a ‘no-brainer’ for Hamas, Blinken says

[Yehuda57]

News reports.
Admin even said Hamas should take the most generous deal from Israel.

ETA: https://www.timesofisrael.com/agreeing-to-gaza-truce-deal-should-be-a-no-brainer-for-hamas-blinken-says/
Agreeing to Gaza truce deal should be a ‘no-brainer’ for Hamas, Blinken says

Except no one has any idea if Hamas was ever entertaining the deal or not.

That's part of why Israel was so mad at America. They came with a better deal than America dreamed of, but instead of America taking that to Hamas and THEN negotiating, they negotiated Israel down without even getting any proposal from Hamas and THEN took the deal to Hamas, who responded with their PR stunt that made Israel look like clowns.

[zh cohen]

News reports.
Admin even said Hamas should take the most generous deal from Israel.

ETA: https://www.timesofisrael.com/agreeing-to-gaza-truce-deal-should-be-a-no-brainer-for-hamas-blinken-says/
Agreeing to Gaza truce deal should be a ‘no-brainer’ for Hamas, Blinken says

How does this equal "it looked like there was going to be a deal"? All I see here is that Blinken thinks that there should have been a deal.

[CountValentine]

How does this equal "it looked like there was going to be a deal"? All I see here is that Blinken thinks that there should have been a deal.

No it is they should accept the deal. It is a good deal. Have you been following the war at all?

Let's try this one.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-blinken-calls-on-hamas-to-accept-cease-fire-agreement-deal-is-there-they-should-take-it
WATCH: Blinken calls on Hamas to accept cease-fire agreement, ‘deal is there, they should take it’

What then happened is Israel invaded rafah. Hamas then accepted a deal they were not presented with as a PR stunt. So, Israel trying to put pessure on Hamas made the deal fall apart.

No one still has answered the question of when was the last hostage released. I looks like late Nov, over 5 months ago. Is that correct?

[Yehuda57]

What then happened is Israel invaded rafah. Hamas then accepted a deal they were not presented with as a PR stunt. So, Israel trying to put pessure on Hamas made the deal fall apart.

On what basis are you saying that? No one knows if Hamas ever intended on taking a deal or not.

Except no one has any idea if Hamas was ever entertaining the deal or not.

That's part of why Israel was so mad at America. They came with a better deal than America dreamed of, but instead of America taking that to Hamas and THEN negotiating, they negotiated Israel down without even getting any proposal from Hamas and THEN took the deal to Hamas, who responded with their PR stunt that made Israel look like clowns.

[CountValentine]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-mourns-soldiers-killed-in-friendly-fire-incident-in-gaza/ar-BB1muCdv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=26c76eadfeed4acea71a06215932524d&ei=22
Israel mourns soldiers killed in "friendly fire" incident in Gaza

[Just A Jew]

Let's try this one.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-blinken-calls-on-hamas-to-accept-cease-fire-agreement-deal-is-there-they-should-take-it
WATCH: Blinken calls on Hamas to accept cease-fire agreement, ‘deal is there, they should take it’

What then happened is Israel invaded rafah. Hamas then accepted a deal they were not presented with as a PR stunt. So, Israel trying to put pessure on Hamas made the deal fall apart.

Your timeline is a little backwards. Israel says time's up, going into Rafah. Blinken then turns up the pressure for Hamas to take a deal everyone knew they wouldn't. It was a bunch of empty words, and everyone knew it.

No one still has answered the question of when was the last hostage released. I looks like late Nov, over 5 months ago. Is that correct?

Released or resecued? Hamas hasn't released anyone since the pause back in November.

[CountValentine]

On what basis are you saying that? No one knows if Hamas ever intended on taking a deal or not.

You are correct no one knows for sure. What we do know for sure is putting pressure on Hamas by invading rafah did not result in a deal. IIRC Israel even gave them a deadline to accept the deal to step up the pressure.

[Just A Jew]

You are correct no one knows for sure. What we do know for sure is putting pressure on Hamas by invading rafah did not result in a deal. IIRC Israel even gave them a deadline to accept the deal to step up the pressure.

We also know that holding off and not invading Rafah for 5 months didn't produce a deal. It did produce dead Israelis.

[CountValentine]

Released or resecued? Hamas hasn't released anyone since the pause back in November.

Released.
So, for 5+ months of bombing/fighting the pressure has not shown results. After rafah what part of Gaza is left to put pressure on them.

[Yehuda57]

You are correct no one knows for sure. What we do know for sure is putting pressure on Hamas by invading rafah did not result in a deal. IIRC Israel even gave them a deadline to accept the deal to step up the pressure.

And the weeks (and months) leading up to that where they held back on Raffah didn't even bring them to the table, whereas by most accounts, the first hostage deal was because the military campaign was bigger, more effective, and better supported internationally than Hamas anticipated.

[CountValentine]

We also know that holding off and not invading Rafah for 5 months didn't produce a deal. It did produce dead Israelis.

They didn't hold off from invading Rafah for 5 months. They had other places they needed to take care of first.
Troops that were being used in other places were moved into position for Rafah.

[CountValentine]

And the weeks (and months) leading up to that where they held back on Raffah didn't even bring them to the table, whereas by most accounts, the first hostage deal was because the military campaign was bigger, more effective, and better supported internationally than Hamas anticipated.

That's your opinion but we don't really know why they took the first deal. Maybe for them it was just a good deal.