Author Topic: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS  (Read 32216 times)

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18992
  • Total likes: 15129
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #800 on: May 17, 2024, 09:43:06 AM »
...but they found no evidence of a hate crime.

Are you quoting their statement?

My guess is that they would probably have a difficult time proving it, but that is the one aspect I can see being debatable.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 17342
  • Total likes: 7841
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #801 on: May 17, 2024, 09:53:18 AM »
Are you quoting their statement?
No
My guess is that they would probably have a difficult time proving it, but that is the one aspect I can see being debatable.
It seems they looked for evidence of a hate crime but could not find any.
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half
Dow Jones Industrial Average Tops 40000 for the First Time

Offline CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 17342
  • Total likes: 7841
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half
Dow Jones Industrial Average Tops 40000 for the First Time

Offline Just A Jew

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2023
  • Posts: 684
  • Total likes: 855
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Freedom of the press is alive at the US Mint.
- Gallagher

Offline CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 17342
  • Total likes: 7841
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #804 on: May 17, 2024, 11:03:42 AM »
Almost like you wrote it youself!
Then it must be fair.
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half
Dow Jones Industrial Average Tops 40000 for the First Time

Offline yelped

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2015
  • Posts: 11635
  • Total likes: 4275
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 43
    • View Profile
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #805 on: May 17, 2024, 11:07:13 AM »
Overall, a fair article?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-gaza-death-toll-is-confusing-and-unreliable/ar-BB1mzsOz?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=736886bc51d04e43b610f9724bb59148&ei=9
The Gaza Death Toll Is Confusing and Unreliable
Fair except that the author expects the world to be fair to Israel. We know they're not.

Offline CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 17342
  • Total likes: 7841
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #806 on: May 17, 2024, 11:09:01 AM »
Fair except that the author expects the world to be fair to Israel. We know they're not.
I agree. As the Eurovision public voting shows they are in love with Israel.
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half
Dow Jones Industrial Average Tops 40000 for the First Time

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18992
  • Total likes: 15129
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #807 on: May 17, 2024, 11:10:54 AM »
I agree. As the Eurovision public voting shows they are in love with Israel.

Which group is the article expecting to be fair to Israel, the populace or the political class?
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 17342
  • Total likes: 7841
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #808 on: May 17, 2024, 11:17:30 AM »
Which group is the article expecting to be fair to Israel, the populace or the political class?
No particular group.
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half
Dow Jones Industrial Average Tops 40000 for the First Time

Offline CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 17342
  • Total likes: 7841
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #809 on: May 17, 2024, 11:41:42 AM »
Israel goes into Rafah and fierce fighting reported going on in the north of Gaza.
Didn't they clear and secure the area?
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half
Dow Jones Industrial Average Tops 40000 for the First Time

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18992
  • Total likes: 15129
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #810 on: May 17, 2024, 11:46:40 AM »
Israel goes into Rafah and fierce fighting reported going on in the north of Gaza.
Didn't they clear and secure the area?

From what I saw somewhere but will need to find the source, the current fighting is in a section of Jabbilya "Refugee Camp" that wasn't included in earlier operations. I don't know why that would be.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline Just A Jew

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2023
  • Posts: 684
  • Total likes: 855
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #811 on: May 17, 2024, 11:58:41 AM »
Overall, a fair article?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-gaza-death-toll-is-confusing-and-unreliable/ar-BB1mzsOz?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=736886bc51d04e43b610f9724bb59148&ei=9
The Gaza Death Toll Is Confusing and Unreliable

The article seems pretty fair. The main issue of contention seems to be IDF's policy of not allowing embedded reporters. The author posits that a lot of disinformation by Hamas and GHM would be able to be debunked by doing so. I have a few issues with that opinion.

1) The biggest issue has been of the airstrikes. Israel's critics say that they are using bombs that are too big, they are using them too indiscriminately, and the deaths tolls are too high. Embedded journalists won't help dispute any of those issues, as they are embedded with the ground troops, not the air force.

2) One of the larger PR issues Israel has had is from social media videos which are taken at face value. These are taken at hospitals or at sites of bombings. It has been documented extensively how many of these clips are pure fabrications. The way today's media is consumed, embedded journalists wouldn't change that.

3) While embedded journalists may be common in regular US Army operations, they still do not allow journalists on special ops.

4) The author assumes that the media will automatically give Israel a fair shake if they are just given the opportunity. As has been documented extensively, here and all over, most international media doesn't do that. Israel is definitely of that opinion. Why would they embed someone when they don't think it will help, anyway?

4a) When embedding journalists, there are rules about when information can be published. Giving away a position or information that cannot be released until the end of an operation is a real risk. If there is no trust between the IDF and the world media, it doesn't make sense to embed journalists to the IDF's operational detriment.
Freedom of the press is alive at the US Mint.
- Gallagher

Offline Just A Jew

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2023
  • Posts: 684
  • Total likes: 855
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #812 on: May 17, 2024, 02:13:08 PM »
Israel goes into Rafah and fierce fighting reported going on in the north of Gaza.
Didn't they clear and secure the area?

Have you ever dealt with rat infestation? Clearing an area doesn't mean the infestation won't come back.
Freedom of the press is alive at the US Mint.
- Gallagher

Offline CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 17342
  • Total likes: 7841
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #813 on: May 17, 2024, 02:47:26 PM »
Have you ever dealt with rat infestation? Clearing an area doesn't mean the infestation won't come back.
If you don't get it right the first time they will always come back. Hopefully they get it right this time.
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half
Dow Jones Industrial Average Tops 40000 for the First Time

Offline Just A Jew

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2023
  • Posts: 684
  • Total likes: 855
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #814 on: May 17, 2024, 02:50:19 PM »
If you don't get it right the first time they will always come back. Hopefully they get it right this time.

It takes time. Gotta trap and kill the ones you find, lay bait to catch and poison the ones who come back, and close up all the holes ro keep them from getting back in. Also gotta hope parents will keep their kids from hanging around and eating the poison...
Freedom of the press is alive at the US Mint.
- Gallagher

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18992
  • Total likes: 15129
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #815 on: May 17, 2024, 02:52:04 PM »
It takes time. Gotta trap and kill the ones you find, lay bait to catch and poison the ones who come back, and close up all the holes ro keep them from getting back in. Also gotta hope parents will keep their kids from hanging around and eating the poison...

No you have it all wrong. You need a picture of Reb Shayale.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline Just A Jew

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2023
  • Posts: 684
  • Total likes: 855
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #816 on: May 17, 2024, 02:56:44 PM »
No you have it all wrong. You need a picture of Reb Shayale.

How has no one thought of this? I wonder what would happen if we used the Jewish space lasers to project a Reb Shayale holograph over Gaza for a week.
Freedom of the press is alive at the US Mint.
- Gallagher

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Diamond Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 69444
  • Total likes: 18077
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA GS, AA EXP, DL Dirt, Hyatt Glob, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, DD Diamond, Blocked By @NeriaKraus
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #817 on: May 17, 2024, 02:59:57 PM »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline gozalim

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Oct 2008
  • Posts: 4390
  • Total likes: 861
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #818 on: May 17, 2024, 04:52:56 PM »
Actually, isn't the RSK 'threat' to put them in the ground?
So would tunnels be 'safe' like Moshe's basket in the river?

Offline CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 17342
  • Total likes: 7841
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
Re: CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS
« Reply #819 on: May 17, 2024, 05:06:32 PM »

It has foul language, but you need sound and the whole clip.  :)

Warning: Foul language
xxxxx://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDTRyjMnDOk)
https

Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half
Dow Jones Industrial Average Tops 40000 for the First Time