Paris Master Thread

[Emkay]

Israel is indeed safer than Israel.

Wow! That's deep

[chucksterace]

Wow! That's deep

Its the only way Roll

[tmendy226]

not necessarily true if indeed the cells were activated

America has cells too. Terrorists have a much bigger interest to attach america than france.

Somebody sent me "french jewery will be gone in 20-30 years" I replied to him "American jewery will be gone 10-15 years after 9/11.

If you think france is dangerous because of the last attack than Australia is no less and of course the U.S. and England perhaps even Canada. But on top of all is Israel with the biggest numbers.

[tmendy226]

Wow! That's deep

In order to make such a statement you gotta be brainwashed by some Zionist/jewish agency propaganda...

Israel is a tiny piece of land in a constant war and on top of this surrounded by enemies and full with enemies indside the country. People that feel that they were kicked out of their land and conquered by some foreigners. In the least stable place in the world-the Middle East. i don't want to elaborate on the danger that this represent but it's obvious to any objective person.

France is a country in the peaceful Europe, one of the biggest democracies, one of the leaders of the western world and has a very powerful army, agency etc. The probability of having a war in france is one trillion percent...

Now there were 2 terrorist attacks in the past 2 years, that will awaken the authority to strengthen their authority regarding certain thing but it doesn't make it any close to any country in the Middle East and especially Israel.

If what happened now in France would happen in Israel, it wouldn't get any response close to what france got, and the reason is very simple (and sad). The same way as people are being killed in Syria and Afghanistan and some other countries (like when there was the war in yigoslavia and the area Etc) and people don't get too excited because we know that it's a country in war so we're kind of used to it. Unfortunately, when something happens in Israel it's a little "normal".

[HP58]

Comparing Paris to Australia isn't really fair. Are people uncomfortable walking around with a kippah in Australia?

[Yehoshua]

I hear everyone's points about Paris. My question is, in 6 months from now (assuming nothing new happens in Paris) how many people will be thinking about these attacks? Yes, as frum Jews we need to be vigilant and watchful while walking around Paris, especially in the Jewish areas, but do you really think tourists will stop visiting? Isn't Paris just as dangerous now as it was 6 months ago before the siege on the shul? Are you guys saying it's impossible to keep a low profile and have a peaceful few day trip?

[sky121]

I hear everyone's points about Paris. My question is, in 6 months from now (assuming nothing new happens in Paris) how many people will be thinking about these attacks? Yes, as frum Jews we need to be vigilant and watchful while walking around Paris, especially in the Jewish areas, but do you really think tourists will stop visiting? Isn't Paris just as dangerous now as it was 6 months ago before the siege on the shul? Are you guys saying it's impossible to keep a low profile and have a peaceful few day trip?

Honestly for the last 6 months every time the idea of going to Paris came up I felt uneasy about the idea.  And there have always been things going on but just in more recent times with everything that's been going on I've felt a bit unsure of going. 

And it's definitely not impossible. Chances are you go and have a wonderful trip and don't necessarily feel a thing depending on where you go.
But ... 

[Dan]

Second, is the last part a joke or a serious questions? But yes, Israel is indeed safer than Paris. Its not even something you can compare.

In order to make such a statement you gotta be brainwashed by some Zionist/jewish agency propaganda...

Israel is a tiny piece of land in a constant war and on top of this surrounded by enemies and full with enemies indside the country. People that feel that they were kicked out of their land and conquered by some foreigners. In the least stable place in the world-the Middle East. i don't want to elaborate on the danger that this represent but it's obvious to any objective person.

France is a country in the peaceful Europe, one of the biggest democracies, one of the leaders of the western world and has a very powerful army, agency etc. The probability of having a war in france is one trillion percent...

Now there were 2 terrorist attacks in the past 2 years, that will awaken the authority to strengthen their authority regarding certain thing but it doesn't make it any close to any country in the Middle East and especially Israel.

Spoken just like many Jews in 1930! Bravo!

Would you need to wear a baseball hat in Israel to feel safe?  In Paris I didn't have one on once and got spit on and cursed at.
Why are so many Jews fleeing France for Israel? Are they all brainwashed?

Israel is Eretz asher tomid einei Hashem Elokecha ba meReishis hashana ad achris hashana.  France is a land where we've been barely tolerated at best.

[Yehoshua]

Honestly for the last 6 months every time the idea of going to Paris came up I felt uneasy about the idea.  And there have always been things going on but just in more recent times with everything that's been going on I've felt a bit uneasy about it.

And it's definitely not impossible. Chances are you go and have a wonderful trip and don't necessarily feel a thing depending on where you go.
But ...

But I can just as easily be in another attack in any other city. London, Madrid,  Barcelona etc haven't had attacks in a while. I hear your point though.

[Dan]

Arabs can recognize a Jew from a mile away. True a baseball cap is a way to not "provoke" them but they'll still spit on the ground if they saw you like that.

Actually in my baseball cap many come over to and start speaking arabic.

Depends on your looks I guess. Long payos would be hard to pull off

[Dan]

But I can just as easily be in another attack in any other city. London, Madrid,  Barcelona etc haven't had attacks in a while. I hear your point though.

There's no city in the world where I've felt as uncomfortable as Paris.
Doesn't mean I wouldn't go back or that I didn't love it overall, but if I had a ticket for this month I'd surely cancel it.

For 6 months out, just wait and see what develops.

[sky121]

But I can just as easily be in another attack in any other city. London, Madrid,  Barcelona etc haven't had attacks in a while. I hear your point though.

Right. Honestly I'm slightly hesitant traveling to many places in Europe these days.
And yes someone can get attacked in their own city as well.

I don't know that there is any black and white answer.

[mileagejunkie]

I would have to disagree. I think Paris and France is mostly the same as before. A few soldiers with guns is not going to change a whole lot. As reports are that terrorist cells were activated makes it worse.

Second, is the last part a joke or a serious questions? But yes, Israel is indeed safer than Paris. Its not even something you can compare.

+1!

[Yehoshua]

Actually in my baseball cap many come over to and start speaking arabic.

Depends on your looks I guess. Long payos would be hard to pull off

Yup, my cousin's father is from Iraq so Arabs always start speaking Arabic to him. While he's Israeli and doesn't speak any Arabic he sure looks Muslim and is great at faking Arabic. He just tells them he's from another country and doesn't speak the same dialect.

[TimT]

Actually in my baseball cap many come over to and start speaking arabic.

They mistake you for an arab ? 

[mileagejunkie]

America has cells too. Terrorists have a much bigger interest to attach america than france.

Somebody sent me "french jewery will be gone in 20-30 years" I replied to him "American jewery will be gone 10-15 years after 9/11.

If you think france is dangerous because of the last attack than Australia is no less and of course the U.S. and England perhaps even Canada. But on top of all is Israel with the biggest numbers.

I think terrorists have found a new victim, Europe. They realized that there will be too many consequences if they attack America.

[sky121]

There's no city in the world where I've felt as uncomfortable as Paris.
Doesn't mean I wouldn't go back or that I didn't love it overall, but if I had a ticket for this month I'd surely cancel it.

For 6 months out, just wait and see what develops.

Where and when did you experience this? Was it a constant thing just walking down the street anywhere? Or did numerous incidents occur to make you feel this way?

I've repeated that statement of yours to many when they were considering where to travel to in Europe and were concerned about such issues. So many people are shocked to hear it.

[Yehoshua]

There's no city in the world where I've felt as uncomfortable as Paris.
Doesn't mean I wouldn't go back or that I didn't love it overall, but if I had a ticket for this month I'd surely cancel it.

For 6 months out, just wait and see what develops.

That's the plan. If closer to when we leave things are worse I'd just modify our trip a bit and spend some extra time in the UK. I'm not planning on cancelling anything just yet.

Right. Honestly I'm slightly hesitant traveling to many places in Europe these days.
And yes someone can get attacked in their own city as well.

I don't know that there is any black and white answer.

I know there's no black and white answer, that's why I'm discussing it here: to get people's opinions. I already have my opinion.

[sky121]

I think terrorists have found a new victim, Europe. They realized that there will be too many consequences if they attack America.

"You know your country is in big trouble when tens of thousands seek to leave for Israel to get away from Jihadi terrorism."

"I knew Europe for what's been 10 years now. She was loved by all, for her culture, literature and beauty. Her passing will be dearly missed."

- Hillel Neuer

[mileagejunkie]

In order to make such a statement you gotta be brainwashed by some Zionist/jewish agency propaganda...

Israel is a tiny piece of land in a constant war and on top of this surrounded by enemies and full with enemies indside the country. People that feel that they were kicked out of their land and conquered by some foreigners. In the least stable place in the world-the Middle East. i don't want to elaborate on the danger that this represent but it's obvious to any objective person.

France is a country in the peaceful Europe, one of the biggest democracies, one of the leaders of the western world and has a very powerful army, agency etc. The probability of having a war in france is one trillion percent...

Now there were 2 terrorist attacks in the past 2 years, that will awaken the authority to strengthen their authority regarding certain thing but it doesn't make it any close to any country in the Middle East and especially Israel.

If what happened now in France would happen in Israel, it wouldn't get any response close to what france got, and the reason is very simple (and sad). The same way as people are being killed in Syria and Afghanistan and some other countries (like when there was the war in yigoslavia and the area Etc) and people don't get too excited because we know that it's a country in war so we're kind of used to it. Unfortunately, when something happens in Israel it's a little "normal".

Fear of the unknown. Exactly what makes France dangerous now. I have probably spent more time in France than most people here and I can tell you that the "gut feeling" is just something else.