Refusing Kosher Certification Based Off 2nd Order Issues

[wayfe]

If a Hechsher can refuse to certify a restaurant or establishment, citing that the clientele or vibe isn't 'kosher', shouldn't they also refuse to certify unhealthy junk food, as these are also a violation of 'V'nishmartem'?

[moko]

If a Hechsher can refuse to certify a restaurant or establishment, citing that the clientele or vibe isn't 'kosher', shouldn't they also refuse to certify unhealthy junk food, as these are also a violation of 'V'nishmartem'?

sure. If the hashgacha feels that way, I'm sure they'll refuse.
They'll argue that most unhealthy food isn't dangerous or a violation of vnishmartem in moderation
https://utzedek.org/tav-hayosher/
Or this organization formulated by Zalman Shalomi-Schachter

[Shush]

If a Hechsher can refuse to certify a restaurant or establishment, citing that the clientele or vibe isn't 'kosher', shouldn't they also refuse to certify unhealthy junk food, as these are also a violation of 'V'nishmartem'?

Reminded me of this
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3920602/jewish/Is-the-Tide-Pod-Challenge-Kosher.htm

[yesitsme]

If a Hechsher can refuse to certify a restaurant or establishment, citing that the clientele or vibe isn't 'kosher', shouldn't they also refuse to certify unhealthy junk food, as these are also a violation of 'V'nishmartem'?

Sure and internet filters should block this site because of bitul Torah

But what's if someone's suger is low? So it's kosher on tnay

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I don't agree with this stuff btw, if there's a mashgiach that's covering nemanus

How many seemingly frum places are cheating? On the food, on employees etc

It's a restaurant not a shul, I don't give 2 craps about the owners life.. unless he's a sexual molester

[imayid2]

If a Hechsher can refuse to certify a restaurant or establishment, citing that the clientele or vibe isn't 'kosher', shouldn't they also refuse to certify unhealthy junk food, as these are also a violation of 'V'nishmartem'?

[justaregularguy]

Not sure if this fits in here but: rabbi brown from far Rockaway (anyone who knows him knows he’s a massive talmud chacham/rav) was once asked when they were opening seasons express (Jewish 7/11) if they can sell cigarettes in store, or not. He responded that are you also not going to sell candy bc it’s not healthy?

[Moshe Green]

Not sure if this fits in here but: rabbi brown from far Rockaway (anyone who knows him knows he’s a massive talmud chacham/rav) was once asked when they were opening seasons express (Jewish 7/11) if they can sell cigarettes in store, or not. He responded that are you also not going to sell candy bc it’s not healthy?

basic difference:
1 candy doesn't hurt, maybe its even a positive thing.
1 cigarette can kill you or others. and its never positive.

[Yehuda57]

basic difference:
1 candy doesn't hurt, maybe its even a positive thing.
1 cigarette can kill you or others. and its never positive.

Is this a joke I'm missing? Bigger chance of a kid choking on a candy than 1 cigarette killing anyone. And smoking relaxes people, that is positive.

[dovy2]

Badatz Aida charaidis will not give hechsher on chewing gum. #justsaying

[ckmk47]

I think OU holds that if the environment isn't one in which the mashgiach can walk freely around in order to do his hashgacha, they won't certify the venue.

[rbs-g1.5]

Badatz Aida charaidis will not give  up until 10 years ago did not give a hechsher on chewing gum. #justsaying

[Moshe Green]

Is this a joke I'm missing? Bigger chance of a kid choking on a candy than 1 cigarette killing anyone. And smoking relaxes people, that is positive.

its not a joke. you're just a bit slow 
kids could choke on broccoli also. that doesn't make it bad.
smoking relaxes people because:
a) they are breathing in and out. you can do that w/o a cigarette.
b) they are addicted to the nicotine. the addiction makes you stressful and then you need a cigarette to relax.
this is not positive. cigarettes kill people. you (or those near you) can get cancer from even one.

[Yehuda57]

its not a joke. you're just a bit slow 
kids could choke on broccoli also. that doesn't make it bad.
smoking relaxes people because:
a) they are breathing in and out. you can do that w/o a cigarette.
b) they are addicted to the nicotine. the addiction makes you stressful and then you need a cigarette to relax.
this is not positive. cigarettes kill people. you (or those near you) can get cancer from even one.

This is asinine. Smoking is dangerous. Smoking can kill you. One cigarette can not kill you or anyone near you. Nor can one cause an addiction. If you're going to link to the surgeon general warning that says it does, please use a little logic to understand that saying a single cigarette causes a person to ingest (inhale?) carcinogens does not mean that a single cigarette can actually cause cancer, hyperbolic headlines notwithstanding.

If you want to say candy is not as dangerous as cigarettes, duh. It's quite easy to make an argument with that rov's opinion. But ridiculously insane assertions that a single cigarette can cause cancer will have the opposite effect if you're trying to get people to avoid smoking. And your arguments breaking down why the cigarette is relaxing can be done for the "positive effects" of candy as well, thanks for explaining my point for those even slower than me, if that's possible.

[Moshe Green]

This is asinine.

agreed

Smoking is dangerous. Smoking can kill you. One cigarette can not kill you or anyone near you. Nor can one cause an addiction. If you're going to link to the surgeon general warning that says it does, please use a little logic to understand that saying a single cigarette causes a person to ingest (inhale?) carcinogens does not mean that a single cigarette can actually cause cancer, hyperbolic headlines notwithstanding.

which one kills? the 3rd? the 100th? the 1000th? no one buys one cigarettes in a store. they buy a pack. and they probably smoked before. so yes, that __th (you put the number in) one can kill.

If you want to say candy is not as dangerous as cigarettes, duh. It's quite easy to make an argument with that rov's opinion. But ridiculously insane assertions that a single cigarette can cause cancer will have the opposite effect if you're trying to get people to avoid smoking. And your arguments breaking down why the cigarette is relaxing can be done for the "positive effects" of candy as well, thanks for explaining my point for those even slower than me, if that's possible.

np

[Yehuda57]

1st of all, who said we are talking about one?

basic difference:
1 candy doesn't hurt, maybe its even a positive thing.
1 cigarette can kill you or others. and its never positive.