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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #780 on: May 24, 2024, 12:09:33 AM »
Next stop the old folks home?
https://x.com/BidensWins/status/1792000790938198296
"Come on, man". I'm no Trump fan, but it seems like he's most likely waiting for a broken teleprompter to get fixed, or pausing and allowing the music space for dramatic effect, most likely the first.

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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #781 on: May 28, 2024, 09:45:50 AM »
Coming down to crunch time on this trial. Trump has attacked our legal system at every chance he could, despicable.
It is funny how the right says the left is going to go nuts when he is acquitted. The exact opposite will happen if he is found guilty.
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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #782 on: May 28, 2024, 09:53:08 AM »
Coming down to crunch time on this trial. Trump has attacked our legal system at every chance he could, despicable.
It is funny how the right says the left is going to go nuts when he is acquitted. The exact opposite will happen if he is found not guilty.
When or if?

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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #783 on: May 28, 2024, 09:55:00 AM »
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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #784 on: May 28, 2024, 11:55:49 AM »
It is funny how the right says the left is going to go nuts when he is acquitted. The exact opposite will happen if he is found not guilty.

Indeed, the Justice system has lost the trust of people on all sides of the political divide.

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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #785 on: May 28, 2024, 12:17:47 PM »
Indeed, the Justice system has lost the trust of people on all sides of the political divide.
When it is constantly being attacked for one's own personal gain what do you expect?
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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #786 on: May 28, 2024, 01:02:19 PM »
When it is constantly being attacked for one's own personal gain what do you expect?

Between that and it being used for personal gain.....
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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #787 on: May 28, 2024, 03:59:44 PM »
When it is constantly being attacked for one's own personal gain what do you expect?
When the Biden federal justice department declines to prosecute and a vocal local AG takes it up, that is not a typical case of attacking for one's own personal gain.

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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #788 on: May 28, 2024, 04:11:46 PM »
When the Biden federal justice department...
I see Israel is investigating this tragic mistake.
I did use "mistake' on purpose to show a point.  ;)
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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #789 on: May 29, 2024, 11:55:47 AM »
Jury officially in deliberations now. Set to go until 4:30 today (if no verdict before then)

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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #790 on: May 29, 2024, 12:17:01 PM »
Let's all play jury experts.  :)

Quick verdict will be bad for Trump.
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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #791 on: May 29, 2024, 06:13:14 PM »
I think they know this which is why they are punting.
https://twitter.com/johnrich/status/1795499777490117021

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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #792 on: May 29, 2024, 06:36:50 PM »
I think they know this which is why they are punting.
Who is punting?
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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #793 on: May 29, 2024, 07:21:44 PM »
When the Biden federal justice department declines to prosecute and a vocal local AG who campaigned on prosecuting Trump takes it up, that is not a typical case of attacking for one's own personal gain.
FTFY
This is worse than what takes place in many 3rd world countries, perhaps some more paperwork though.

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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #794 on: May 29, 2024, 07:25:58 PM »

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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #795 on: May 29, 2024, 07:37:40 PM »
Judge skewing the verdict
He didn't skew anything. He is following the law.
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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #796 on: May 29, 2024, 07:49:20 PM »
He didn't skew anything. He is following the law.
Where is this in the law? This was a serious point of contention and is certain to be appealed if a conviction is based on this. It is also not what some are making it seem like. It does not mean that they can different between charges but rather what the underlying crime he was covering up was.
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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #797 on: May 29, 2024, 07:49:44 PM »
He didn't skew anything. He is following the law.
Generally speaking, you need a unanimous verdict on each count. Even if the judge has a legal way to justify this and twist it into being legal, it's still skewing the verdict.

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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #798 on: May 29, 2024, 08:01:41 PM »
Where is this in the law? This was a serious point of contention and is certain to be appealed if a conviction is based on this. It is also not what some are making it seem like. It does not mean that they can different between charges but rather what the underlying crime he was covering up was.
They must be unanimously on two things.
1 - he falsified business records
2 - he did so intending to commit a separate crime

They don't need to be unanimously on the separate crime. That is the Judges understanding of the law.

ETA: This doesn't seem uncommon. A prosecutor gave an example of someone being guilty of murder even if the some of the jury felt the murder weapon was a bat and others thought it was a pipe.

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Re: What comes next for Donald Trump?
« Reply #799 on: May 29, 2024, 08:30:33 PM »
They must be unanimously on two things.
1 - he falsified business records
2 - he did so intending to commit a separate crime

They don't need to be unanimously on the separate crime. That is the Judges understanding of the law.

ETA: This doesn't seem uncommon. A prosecutor gave an example of someone being guilty of murder even if the some of the jury felt the murder weapon was a bat and others thought it was a pipe.
Wow, prosecutor found an extreme example from some murder case. When was the last time this judge ruled this way?

In any other trial there would need to be a unanimous verdict on each of the 34 counts.