Jewish Children's Albums

[imayid2]

What's false? It wasn't him or he didn't say something along the lines of "I wonder why no one was meorer the shaila about new tissues during the nine days being similar to a kerchief?"

He brought it as proof that בגדי זיעה are mutar. Boy oh boy is this a distortion.

To be clear I completely disagree with what he’s saying, but he’s saying the opposite of what you said he said.

[yelped]

To be clear I completely disagree with what he’s saying, but he’s saying the opposite of what you said he said.

You think that בגדי זיעה are assur?

[rbs-g1.5]

Relax guys!!
I was just wondering any one knew of any childrens sefira album.
I'd rather not listen to any regular music during the three weeks even second hand.
I'm not sure why this is so crazy.
 a couple of shmuel kunda albums are for sefira.the royal rescue and i think others as well

[rbs-g1.5]

To be clear I completely disagree with what he’s saying, but he’s saying the opposite of what you said he said.

its pretty clear that he is not saying the opposite
he says bigdei zeia do not have to be soiled and if you want to say  that they do you have a problem with tissues,since nobody would say tissues are a problem then obviously bigdei zeia are also not a problem

[imayid2]

You think that בגדי זיעה are assur?

No interest in getting into that now. But is a silly proof. A tissue has no chasivus of a beged. And the rest of what he’s saying indicates more that בגדי זיעה is assur. Because why is מטפחות ידים prohibited based on what he’s saying? In הלכות חול המועד it’s clear it’s considered מתלכלך תמיד.

[aygart]

Putting out Shu"t wouldn't necessarily do it for me.

That he's an accepted posek does.

I am not sure where such criteria come from. That reasoning is mostly used to ignore anything someone says without a need to reckon with their profs and reasoning.

[PlatinumGuy]

Bottom line is that in halacha there is no mention of musical instruments regarding sefira or bein hamitzorim. To be matir is olecho raaya lihovi.

Amazing how much people enjoy assering things. How many people here are as Makpid to sleep in a Sukka which is mefurash Pasuk and Mitzvas Esseh Medorisa? It's almost like Yetzer Hora gets people to focus on minahgim to neglect other things.. 

The Shulchan Aruch who assers music year round and some say we're makpid on during 3 weeks says explicitily vocal music is only assur with wine

  תקס, ג

וכן גזרו שלא לנגן בכלי שיר וכל מיני זמר וכל משמיעי קול של שיר לשמח בהם: הגה ויש אומרים דוקא מי שרגיל בהם כגון המלכים שעומדים ושוכבים בכלי שיר או בבית המשתה [טור] ואסור לשומעם מפני החורבן ואפי' שיר בפה על היין אסורה שנא' בשיר לא ישתו יין

The other source  for music in the 3 weeks is the י מגן אברהם תקנא who only assers dancing...

ונראה לי דאסור לעשות רקודין ומחולות מי"ז תמוז ואילך.

And then the ערוך השולחן ן by Omer in תצג ב extends that to

 וכל שכן שאסור לזמר בכלי זמר

[imayid2]

This R Kleinman was the one last year saying new tissues may be a shaila during the 9 days?

its pretty clear that he is not saying the opposite
he says bigdei zeia do not have to be soiled and if you want to say  that they do you have a problem with tissues,since nobody would say tissues are a problem then obviously bigdei zeia are also not a problem

Not the opposite?

[dm123]

To be clear I completely disagree with what he’s saying, but he’s saying the opposite of what you said he said.

Interesting thanks. Although ultimately he's saying the same thing in the shiur and sefer you posted, his "he'arah" came across differently (to me at least) where I heard it originally: https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=118920

ETA: edited for clarity, I hope.

[dm123]

I am not sure where such criteria come from. That reasoning is mostly used to ignore anything someone says without a need to reckon with their profs and reasoning.

It's very possible this hinges on a much more involved question about derech hapsak which I'm not particularly interested in getting into ATM.

[imayid2]

The Shulchan Aruch who assers music year round and some say we're makpid on during 3 weeks says explicitily vocal music is only assur with wine
  תקס, ג
וכן גזרו שלא לנגן בכלי שיר וכל מיני זמר וכל משמיעי קול של שיר לשמח בהם: הגה ויש אומרים דוקא מי שרגיל בהם כגון המלכים שעומדים ושוכבים בכלי שיר או בבית המשתה [טור] ואסור לשומעם מפני החורבן ואפי' שיר בפה על היין אסורה שנא' בשיר לא ישתו יין

Where in the world are you coming from that during the 3 weeks listening to music is only with the same guidelines as the issur year round? Is listening not bkveis also mutar during the 3 weeks?

[PlatinumGuy]

Where in the world are you coming from that during the 3 weeks listening to music is only with the same guidelines as the issur year round? Is listening not bkveis also mutar during the 3 weeks?

Please tell me where is the Issur to listen to music in the 3 weeks other than the 3 sources I quoted (and the Tur / Rashi that the Shu"A paskens against)

(ETA: From more than 200 years ago)

[imayid2]

Please tell me where is the Issur to listen to music in the 3 weeks other than the 3 sources I quoted (and the Tur / Rashi that the Shu"A paskens against)

(ETA: From more than 200 years ago)

It’s a minhag more that Halacha.

[PlatinumGuy]

It’s a minhag more that Halacha.

And the Halchicich sources that discuss the Minhag explicitly limit it to musical instruments, so this statement below is absurd

Bottom line is that in halacha there is no mention of musical instruments regarding sefira or bein hamitzorim. To be matir is olecho raaya lihovi.

[imayid2]

And the Halchicich sources that discuss the Minhag explicitly limit it to musical instruments

They had tape recorder/cds then?
I understood his point that there isn’t a difference listening to tape recorders recording musical instruments or with out. @aygart is that what you meant?

[PlatinumGuy]

They had tape recorder/cds then?
I understood his point that there isn’t a difference listening to tape recorders recording musical instruments or with out. @aygart is that what you meant?

He was saying the baseline assumption is that vocal singing is assur and it needs a Raya to be matir...

But לשיטתך, how can there be a minhag to asser something that didn't exist?

[imayid2]

He was saying the baseline assumption is that vocal singing is assur and it needs a Raya to be matir...

Very logical statement in regards to recorded music.

how can there be a minhag to asser something that didn't exist?

Are you asking how the minhag evolved, or are you denying that there is a minhag not to listen to recorded music?

[PlatinumGuy]

Very logical statement in regards to recorded music.Are you asking how the minhag evolved, or are you denying that there is a minhag not to listen to recorded music?

Just trying to understand your position. The Issur to listen to recorded music is a new minhag that evolved in past few decades and is mechayev everybody to follow?

Very logical statement in regards to recorded music.

It's very logical to say that something that isn't brought down in Halacha is assur and one needs a Raya to be matir it?

So I could claim it's assur to eat carrots in the 3 weeks and you'd have to bring a Raya that it's muttar?

[yelped]

The only source that I remember seeing (לא ראיתי אינו ראיה, though) is the M"A that @PlatinumGuy brought down, which would mean that technically, solemn, moving music would be muttar, but I would understand how that developed into all music so people shouldn't be moireh heter.

I think Acapella should be banned because it's atrocious, but don't see a source for vocals. I personally listen to Modzitz without music (the hundreds of niggunim recorded over the years privately or at various functions) during Sefira.

[imayid2]

Just trying to understand your position. The Issur to listen to recorded music is a new minhag that evolved in past few decades and is mechayev everybody to follow?

Listening to recorded music has been assumed by all major poskim to be a logical extension of the enjoyment of listening to musical instruments  because it’s basically the same experience. Though there are differently nuanced approaches. I call it Minhag because I believe many concede it isn’t really the same, so it’s not מעיקר הדין.