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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #760 on: May 10, 2022, 11:38:12 PM »
LOL, we had a chat. Bh all good.
Now I am very curious.
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #762 on: May 10, 2022, 11:42:21 PM »
I see Matzav switched from "as reported exclusively on Matzav" to "as reported extensively"

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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #763 on: May 10, 2022, 11:42:47 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fp19C3_i3dY

Have fun with the German :)
Interview with the person I put them in touch with starts at 2:58.
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #764 on: May 10, 2022, 11:43:45 PM »
Interview with the person I put them in touch with starts at 2:58.
Yup, was just going to write that

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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #767 on: May 10, 2022, 11:54:56 PM »
I think that now might be the time, with permission from the photographer, to leak the unedited video to another major media outlet.

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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #768 on: May 10, 2022, 11:56:46 PM »
And now #Antisemitism is trending in Travel on Twitter..
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #769 on: May 11, 2022, 12:03:53 AM »
mICHaeL sAVagE iS tHe SMarTesT Man in tHe WOrlD!!!!!1!1!!!!!!1!
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #770 on: May 11, 2022, 12:05:37 AM »
I think that now might be the time, with permission from the photographer, to leak the unedited video to another major media outlet.
I disagree. I think it actually makes the video weaker - she'll come across as just an unhinged person/employee, instead of how now she's a mouthpiece representing the upper management. 

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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #772 on: May 11, 2022, 12:11:30 AM »
I disagree. I think it actually makes the video weaker - she'll come across as just an unhinged person/employee, instead of how now she's a mouthpiece representing the upper management. 
I don't think she looks unhinged. I think she looks genuinely terrified.
As she should have been.

She made them delete the video, but thank G-d, they were able to restore it.
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #773 on: May 11, 2022, 12:14:37 AM »
884 comments!
Most of them negative sharing their own in flight “Hasidic” experiences

Profiling issues aside, I don’t think the minority of rude or non compliant unzerers realize how badly they paint all of us.

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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #774 on: May 11, 2022, 12:19:45 AM »
I don’t think the minority of rude or non compliant unzerers realize how badly they paint all of us.
To me this is one of the saddest takes from this whole episode. I never expected LH to be Jew-lovers, but reading the comments of Self-hating Jews and non-Jews on the MSM about religious travelers makes me realize how much of a negative impact has been made by some selfish individuals.

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« Reply #776 on: May 11, 2022, 12:25:21 AM »
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I think that one interesting thing here is that so many people expected that a Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro would be the one to bring this to light. I doubted that, though once YouTube and IG took down the video, I thought it might fit into their agenda.

But, no. Exposing anti-Semitism doesn't really fit into anyone's agenda. And it wasn't due to a lack of tagging by people on Twitter.
In the end the WaPo was the one and they did it well, but that was due to "lucky" circumstances and reaching a fair journalist.
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #777 on: May 11, 2022, 12:29:52 AM »
I think that one interesting thing here is that so many people expected that a Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro would be the one to bring this to light. I doubted that, though once YouTube and IG took down the video, I thought it might fit into their agenda.

But, no. Exposing anti-Semitism doesn't really fit into anyone's agenda. And it wasn't due to a lack of tagging by people on Twitter.
In the end the WaPo was the one and they did it well, but that was due to "lucky" circumstances and reaching a fair journalist.

The fact that it was a WaPo travel journalist helped too. The travel news community covered this much better (and saw the facts for what they are) than the global/political news community (who spun this to suit their agenda).
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #778 on: May 11, 2022, 12:32:27 AM »
I think that one interesting thing here is that so many people expected that a Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro would be the one to bring this to light. I doubted that, though once YouTube and IG took down the video, I thought it might fit into their agenda.

But, no. Exposing anti-Semitism doesn't really fit into anyone's agenda. And it wasn't due to a lack of tagging by people on Twitter.
In the end the WaPo was the one and they did it well, but that was due to "lucky" circumstances and reaching a fair journalist.
This doesn't fit well in anyone's agenda. The victims were the wrong types of Jews for the left, and the perpetrators were wrong for the right.

I thought it would need to get to one of the main papers of record to come to light in a meaningful, non-clickbaity way. Bd to get there, I thought it would need to be picked up from the likes of jta, the Forward, or Haaretz. Hence my tagging and emailing those outlets.

Did the Wapo reporter say how she got assigned?

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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #779 on: May 11, 2022, 02:10:10 AM »
To me this is one of the saddest takes from this whole episode. I never expected LH to be Jew-lovers, but reading the comments of Self-hating Jews and non-Jews on the MSM about religious travelers makes me realize how much of a negative impact has been made by some selfish individuals.
As bad as it is that some don't follow rules, I think it's even worse when we rip apart our own.

Regarding ואהבת לרעך כמוך,
Nobody is perfect. We aren't and our friends aren't.
But if we read this sentence carefully, we'll notice that רעך - "your friend" has some רע - "badness" associated with them. That is part of them, and we should love that part of them just like we love ourselves.
A person with a healthy self image will not focus on the bad parts of themselves. They see it, they know that they have many faults, they know that they need to work on lots of things, but that's not how they how themselves as a whole.
We like to think of ourselves as good people, with room for improvement.

So if we love our friend - with all their imperfections - as we love ourselves - despite our imperfections, then it will be very difficult for us to speak loshon hara about them.

With this attitude in mind, we can also look at different groups in Orthodox Judaism the same way. I find that many times we may have prejudice against certain groups within Orthodox Judaism.
 
"This" group has an issue with this, "that" group doesn't care about this mitzvah, "this" group only cares about their own group, etc.

Using this recipe of ואהבת לרעך כמוך, none of that exists anymore. All the groups are like me. They are not perfect, just like I'm not, but if I need to tell you about myself, I'll be focusing on my positive attributes.

Therefore, when I see a Ashkenazi/Sefardi/Yemenite/Chassidish/Litvish/Modox/Israeli/rich/poor/whatever Jew, that's just a Jew. No label. Just a Jew with some great attributes and that's the only thing that matters. That person is special, they are great because of a whole bunch of reasons.

Yes, at times we may notice that there's some רע connected to them, but we should notice it only when necessary, the same way we notice the רע in ourselves only when necessary. Sometimes, we need to protect ourselves, and somebody may warn us about a special Yid that has some negative tendencies. But that's still a special Yid (who is human and has some things to work on, but that's not the main focus).