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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #180 on: August 10, 2022, 11:24:48 AM »
I hate to go there but you all need to get out more if think is a raid.
Raid: Movie scene
Go ask blacks in Chicago when they kick down the door, turn the home upside down, handcuff children, put guns in their face and in rare cases gun down innocent individuals if it is a movie scene!!!  >:( >:( >:(
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #181 on: August 10, 2022, 11:25:05 AM »
You asked specifically how this differed from the raids of Stone & Manafort, and the pre-dawn, guns drawn, and PJs are from my memory of those.

I would guess that they didn't want to show up guns drawn at 4am to a site protected by the secret service.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #182 on: August 10, 2022, 11:26:34 AM »
You asked specifically how this differed from the raids of Stone & Manafort, and the pre-dawn, guns drawn, and PJs are from my memory of those.

Oh come on, I was asking what the difference was because you called those a raid and Trump's a search. If that is indeed the differentiator, what is your source for such a distinction between search and raid?

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #183 on: August 10, 2022, 11:26:55 AM »
No when they conduct raids it is usually not pretty. Because we would have seen pictures by now if they did.
The FBI is well aware of this as well. Would’ve been very damaging to them for the world to see such photos.
Oh, let’s not forget the security cameras that were rolling.

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #184 on: August 10, 2022, 11:30:25 AM »
Trump, 2016:  “The mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #185 on: August 10, 2022, 11:31:16 AM »
I hate to go there but you all need to get out more if think is a raid. Go ask blacks in Chicago when they kick down the door, turn the home upside down, handcuff children, put guns in their face and in rare cases gun down innocent individuals if it is a movie scene!!!  >:( >:( >:(

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Many have been saying things along the lines of, "if it can happen to Trump, it can happen to anyone!" But I think it has been happening to everyone far worse than what happened to Trump. Like you say, more people than we care to count have been shot in shoot first ask later raids based on little evidence or mistaken identities/locations, etc.

My point was only that "raids" are now being defined by it looking like a movie scene. A calm methodical search with no damage can also be a raid. That LE often harm people and property in unlawful raids is a much bigger but unrelated problem.

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #186 on: August 10, 2022, 11:33:54 AM »

My point was only that "raids" are now being defined by it looking like a movie scene. A calm methodical search with no damage can also be a raid.
Then how do you explain the choice by Trump and Fox to substitute the word "raid" for "search", as was written on the search warrant?

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #187 on: August 10, 2022, 11:36:56 AM »
Then how do you explain the choice by Trump and Fox to substitute the word "raid" for "search", as was written on the search warrant?
Everyone using the word they find politically expedient with no real difference.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #188 on: August 10, 2022, 11:38:45 AM »
Then how do you explain the choice by Trump and Fox to substitute the word "raid" for "search", as was written on the search warrant?

The same way that NPR explains it. What it says on a document doesn’t define what happened, nor does it define common vernacular.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #189 on: August 10, 2022, 11:39:04 AM »
Oh come on, I was asking what the difference was because you called those a raid and Trump's a search. If that is indeed the differentiator, what is your source for such a distinction between search and raid?
You will know it when you see it especially if you have been through one or the other.
The description I gave shows what a real "raid" is.

Look we all understand why they want to call it a raid.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #190 on: August 10, 2022, 11:40:26 AM »
Then how do you explain the choice by Trump and Fox to substitute the word "raid" for "search", as was written on the search warrant?

Do any search warrants ever use the word raid? Did the Manafort/Stone warrants say "raid"?

Why are you saying Fox? I only gave NPR as an example above, but a quick Google search will show that most news outlets are using the word raid, from the NYT to the BBC. Even blatantly LW pubs like the New Yorker. How do you explain them using raid when the warrant said search?

This argument is so beyond stupid.

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #191 on: August 10, 2022, 11:40:44 AM »
Everyone using the word they find politically expedient with no real difference.
First part I agree with. The second part you are 100% wrong. Ask anyone who has been through either one.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #192 on: August 10, 2022, 11:42:20 AM »
I dunno man, as a kid, putting toothpaste on someone's hand while they were sleeping was enough to be called a raid

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #193 on: August 10, 2022, 11:42:40 AM »
This argument is so beyond stupid.
Would you agree raid portrays a more violent/forceful picture than search?
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #194 on: August 10, 2022, 11:43:24 AM »
Trump, 2016:  “The mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?’” Trump said. “Now I know the answer to that question. When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded, politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors, and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #195 on: August 10, 2022, 11:44:12 AM »
I dunno man, as a kid, putting toothpaste on someone's hand while they were sleeping was enough to be called a raid
I would call that a prank but putting a bar of soap in a sock and hitting him it would not be a prank.  ;)
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #196 on: August 10, 2022, 11:49:25 AM »
I would call that a prank but putting a bar of soap in a sock and hitting him it would not be a prank.  ;)

Raids were just a certain type of prank - going into another bunk's room while they were sleeping/away to pull some kind of prank

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #197 on: August 10, 2022, 11:56:08 AM »
Raids were just a certain type of prank - going into another bunk's room while they were sleeping/away to pull some kind of prank
Would you agree raid portrays a more violent/forceful picture than search?
Can you answer this since I have my paintbrush out?   :)
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #198 on: August 10, 2022, 11:58:09 AM »
Shameful & possibly illegal activity during a raid doesn’t redefine what a legal raid is.

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #199 on: August 10, 2022, 11:59:25 AM »
Shameful & possibly illegal activity during a raid doesn’t redefine what a legal raid is.
This SEARCH was conducted in a legal and respectful manner.
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