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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1900 on: April 28, 2023, 05:12:15 PM »
The state can enforce his false claims.
When is the last time the state did that? Unfortunately this story is closed now...

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1901 on: April 28, 2023, 05:31:57 PM »
When is the last time the state did that? Unfortunately this story is closed now...
Not sure but there is a separate office for it.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1902 on: April 30, 2023, 09:22:30 AM »
When is the last time the state did that? Unfortunately this story is closed now...
sounds really simple, no one can be held accountable? no consumer protection laws that can be enforced?
did this guy's name ever get out so other communities know in case he tries this elsewhere?

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1903 on: April 30, 2023, 09:26:41 AM »
sounds really simple, no one can be held accountable? no consumer protection laws that can be enforced?
did this guy's name ever get out so other communities know in case he tries this elsewhere?
these are generally civil violations in nature. Upfront, small businesses have more to lose since the violations hit them hard. After the fact (ie: they closed), small businesses have little to lose. To some degree, it's the opposite for larger companies.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1904 on: April 30, 2023, 09:50:52 AM »
sounds really simple, no one can be held accountable? no consumer protection laws that can be enforced?

This was discussed upthread. I dont think this is simple at all. Aside from the form that iinm aygart mentioned, he was technically kosher certified. Other than that, this is a breach of contract between the kashrus org and him. Again, I have no knowledge of kashrus organizations and how they are formed with applicable state laws, so it could be I'm missing something. But otherwise, seems pretty straight forward to me.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1905 on: April 30, 2023, 09:58:26 AM »
This was discussed upthread. I dont think this is simple at all. Aside from the form that iinm aygart mentioned, he was technically kosher certified. Other than that, this is a breach of contract between the kashrus org and him. Again, I have no knowledge of kashrus organizations and how they are formed with applicable state laws, so it could be I'm missing something. But otherwise, seems pretty straight forward to me.
that's not 100% correct. If you breach the contract and represent non kosher food as kosher your in violation of NJ civil kosher statute. BTDT

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1906 on: April 30, 2023, 10:03:27 AM »
that's not 100% correct. If you breach the contract and represent non kosher food as kosher your in violation of NJ civil kosher statute. BTDT
Issue is that he didnt represent non-kosher as kosher, he actually had it kosher certified. Again, if you have experience with this, i'd defer, but seems quite murky to me.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1907 on: April 30, 2023, 10:16:20 AM »
Issue is that he didnt represent non-kosher as kosher, he actually had it kosher certified. Again, if you have experience with this, i'd defer, but seems quite murky to me.
if there was definitive non kosher food, and they represented it as kosher (by selling it out of an exclusively kosher restaurants), then that's exactly what they did

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1908 on: April 30, 2023, 11:05:59 AM »
If you breach the contract and represent non kosher food as kosher your in violation of NJ civil kosher statute. BTDT
Is this enforced and what have been the practical consequences for the owner?

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1909 on: April 30, 2023, 03:50:48 PM »
Is this enforced and what have been the practical consequences for the owner?
i keep wondering about that, aloud
and... does anyone even know whom the owner was? we've had so many scandals within the community where people's names were made public, why is his name unknown, no issue of LH here :)

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1911 on: April 30, 2023, 05:33:59 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iP0eabIhvwE&feature=youtu.be he discusses it here
Discusses what & any particular time on the 50 minute video? ;)

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1912 on: April 30, 2023, 05:45:05 PM »
Discusses what & any particular time on the 50 minute video? ;)
I didn't listen to it yet it was shared with me via WhatsApp.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1913 on: April 30, 2023, 08:10:05 PM »
Video was made private. Anyone have a chance to listen to it?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1914 on: May 01, 2023, 06:21:22 AM »
It's back up. He discusses it at the 33 min mark.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1915 on: May 01, 2023, 12:16:25 PM »
It's back up. He discusses it at the 33 min mark.
He says that there was never non-Kosher meat found in the restaurant and that the meat that the owner was caught buying said (and proved) that it was for a friend. Also, as opposed to the rumors being spread, the keys were not by the owner.
The OK was still suspicious and checked the story more. When checking the restaurant more they found that there was suspicious chicken boxes in the garbage nearby to the store. He checked the nearby stores and found a Treif restaurant that sold chicken as well. They asked them if these suspicious boxes were theirs and were told that they were not theirs.
When confronted, the owners of Manalapan denied all wrongdoing but when threatened that the Hechsher cannot be continued, they closed the restaurant abruptly. Eventually it was found out that it seems like they were bringing stuff from the back.
While others Paskened that people do not have to Kasher their Keilim, the OK got a psak to kasher.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1916 on: May 01, 2023, 05:50:17 PM »
Video was made private. Anyone have a chance to listen to it?
It's back up. He discusses it at the 33 min mark.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1917 on: May 02, 2023, 09:38:13 AM »
He says that there was never non-Kosher meat found in the restaurant and that the meat that the owner was caught buying said (and proved) that it was for a friend. Also, as opposed to the rumors being spread, the keys were not by the owner.
The OK was still suspicious and checked the story more. When checking the restaurant more they found that there was suspicious chicken boxes in the garbage nearby to the store. He checked the nearby stores and found a Treif restaurant that sold chicken as well. They asked them if these suspicious boxes were theirs and were told that they were not theirs.
When confronted, the owners of Manalapan denied all wrongdoing but when threatened that the Hechsher cannot be continued, they closed the restaurant abruptly. Eventually it was found out that it seems like they were bringing stuff from the back.
While others Paskened that people do not have to Kasher their Keilim, the OK got a psak to kasher.
are you suggesting that no legal action was taken since the "proof" was circumstantial evidence only?

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1918 on: May 02, 2023, 09:57:12 AM »
are you suggesting that no legal action was taken since the "proof" was circumstantial evidence only?
What kind of legal action are you suggesting? The business closed down already.
Or are you suggesting criminal legal action, which that's something that only the attorney general's office can do, if they see fit. (Doubt they will)