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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1120 on: September 08, 2022, 05:32:47 PM »
There were cameras. Is somebody watching it close enough to see what's coming out of everyone's pockets though?
Not as it happened. But now I hope they have someone reviewing the tape- slowly- and try to actually see what happened

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1121 on: September 08, 2022, 05:32:50 PM »
I believe i heard that the OU does not give a hechsher to a restaraunt owned by an eino yehudi. Can anyone confirm?
Fake news.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1122 on: September 08, 2022, 05:35:00 PM »
They essentially said that they have no clue. They are simply relaying what the owner told them, and you should ask your rav for kashering questions based on what they found.
agreed. but the flowery implication not so. they should man up and say it clearly without trying to save face, so that the consumers should understand that they take responsibility for more than just the past 6 months...

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1123 on: September 08, 2022, 05:37:56 PM »
if anyone believes that this was done on a "small" scale to save "some" money, I have a bridge to sell you... I'll even throw in a free hamburger.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1124 on: September 08, 2022, 05:39:35 PM »
There's nothing else he can be punished with.
Iirc in some places, fraudulently labeling of kosher can be a criminal offense. I donít know the legalities here.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1125 on: September 08, 2022, 05:41:39 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1126 on: September 08, 2022, 05:44:31 PM »
agreed. but the flowery implication not so. they should man up and say it clearly without trying to save face, so that the consumers should understand that they take responsibility for more than just the past 6 months...

I donít care if they save face as long as they share the facts as they know them. My rav can decide what to do with this info.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1127 on: September 08, 2022, 05:44:45 PM »
Almost certainly a problem derabanan, even bedieved.

Why?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1128 on: September 08, 2022, 05:45:13 PM »
Iirc in some places, fraudulently labeling of kosher can be a criminal offense. I donít know the legalities here.

This?

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A person commits a disorderly persons offense if in the course of business he:

a. (1) Falsely represents any food sold, prepared, served or offered for sale to be kosher

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1129 on: September 08, 2022, 05:45:42 PM »
Not quite.
In a takeout place, everything is fried in the same oil, which would make the oil treif and subsequently tarfen up all the kosher chicken fried in that oil.

It is min bimino safek shishim if we can establish a rov.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1130 on: September 08, 2022, 05:47:37 PM »
Why?
Why not? (If itís not clear if it was rov)

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1131 on: September 08, 2022, 05:49:30 PM »
Why not? (If itís not clear if it was rov)
Lets start with whether there was any vadai treif. Even today they do not seem to be able to find that any was brought in.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1132 on: September 08, 2022, 05:52:40 PM »
It is min bimino safek shishim if we can establish a rov.
Safek shishim in the fryer?The oil in a deep fryer isnít changed for long periods of time. There were probably enough treif chicken pieces over time כנגד the entire volume of oil.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1133 on: September 08, 2022, 05:54:15 PM »
Lets start with whether there was any vadai treif. Even today they do not seem to be able to find that any was brought in.
@S209 was commenting on the assumption it was.
If it wasnít ודאי was it קרוב לודאי?  Or a ספק שקול? If itís 50 50 Iíd say maybe ספק ספיקא.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1134 on: September 08, 2022, 05:54:31 PM »
Safek shishim in the fryer?The oil in a deep fryer isnít changed for long periods of time. There were probably enough treif chicken pieces over time כנגד the entire volume of oil.

In the originally kosher chicken that went into the fryer. It is not clear at all that you can say the oil became entirely chicken., Even in the oil you can deal with it being only a smaller percentage of the taam chicken in the oil.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1135 on: September 08, 2022, 05:55:11 PM »
@S209 was commenting on the assumption it was.
If it wasnít ודאי was it קרוב לודאי?  Or a ספק שקול? If itís 50 50 Iíd say maybe ספק ספיקא.

But how great is the tzad of it being rov?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1136 on: September 08, 2022, 05:56:38 PM »
But how great is the tzad of it being rov?
I assume very little tzad.
 The ghost kitchen rumor is much more concerning.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1137 on: September 08, 2022, 05:58:05 PM »
Statement is out:

omg. The guy actually did the thing.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1138 on: September 08, 2022, 05:59:27 PM »
In the originally kosher chicken that went into the fryer. It is not clear at all that you can say the oil became entirely chicken., Even in the oil you can deal with it being only a smaller percentage of the taam chicken in the oil.
Aka חנן בשאר איסורים

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #1139 on: September 08, 2022, 06:00:09 PM »
Aka חנן בשאר איסורים

NO! Ein hanesar oser....
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