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[drosenberg88429]

I would ask B what they mean.

We have come to the point where a retweet is considered an endorsement. These same people that consider it an endorsement will make a pretzel when someone they support does it.

How about another PC question. If you believe something about a group that is widely accept as being false does that make you anti that group.

I believe killing cows is ethical, and I'm not anti cows. You don't have to be anti something to act violently towards it. Being pro or anti a group is honestly a bit irrelevant from a legal standpoint until you act on it. Even in terms of hate crimes, I don't know if you have to specifically dislike the group. I believe the fact that the victim was targeted due to being a member of that group, race, or ethnicity is enough to qualify something as a hate crime. Pro and anti are emotions. What you do about it is actions, and those are what count.

[drosenberg88429]

Lets make it murkier. 
What if the person believes there is a fire?

The person has a tendency to believe there are fires and to trigger damaging and dangerous behavior to try to protect people from the imaginary fire? He should probably be restrained. Not as a punishment, but to protect society from the threat he poses.

[CountValentine]

I believe killing cows is ethical, and I'm not anti cows. You don't have to be anti something to act violently towards it. Being pro or anti a group is honestly a bit irrelevant from a legal standpoint until you act on it. Even in terms of hate crimes, I don't know if you have to specifically dislike the group. I believe the fact that the victim was targeted due to being a member of that group, race, or ethnicity is enough to qualify something as a hate crime. Pro and anti are emotions. What you do about it is actions, and those are what count.

I would be hard for me to believe some attacks a group for who they are without being anti that group.

[drosenberg88429]

Lets make it murkier. 
What if the person believes there is a fire?

I like the murkiness.  Shortest Friday of the year, and we're packing it in. 

[drosenberg88429]

I would be hard for me to believe some attacks a group for who they are without being anti that group.

I would kill a lion that I see in public that I think poses a menace and danger to society, even though I'm not anti lions. I'm anti the danger that I believe they currently pose, and I'll take action i deem unfortunately necessary for the greater good.

Being pro or anti is between you and G-d. I'm not sure how much of a practical difference it makes.

[CountValentine]

The person has a tendency to believe there are fires and to trigger damaging and dangerous behavior to try to protect people from the imaginary fire? He should probably be restrained. Not as a punishment, but to protect society from the threat he poses.

LOL
The person smelt or saw smoke from a hamburger burning in the kitchen. Completely overreacted but had good intentions.
Before someone asks, yes the theater I go to serves food while you watch the movie. The food is pretty good. 

[CountValentine]

I would kill a lion that I see in public that I think poses a menace and danger to society, even though I'm not anti lions. I'm anti the danger that I believe they currently pose, and I'll take action i deem unfortunately necessary for the greater good.

I might disagree with your posts, but they always make sense. This post falls short of that. 

[drosenberg88429]

LOL
The person smelt or saw smoke from a hamburger burning in the kitchen. Completely overreacted but had good intentions.
Before someone asks, yes the theater I go to serves food while you watch the movie. The food is pretty good. 

Sounds like the course of action they took was reasonable, and that any reasonable person would be expected to do so. Being as announcing a fire is the correct thing to do were one to legitimately believe there's a fire and to have reasonable evidence to back that up, and there's no reason to assume that they're any more likely than the next person to do so in the future, and they don't pose a present danger now that the story is over, I don't see why they would need to be restrained going forward.

[drosenberg88429]

I might disagree with your posts, but they always make sense. This post falls short of that. 

Why? Who cares if I'm intrinsically hateful towards a certain group? If the action I'm trying to take specifically discriminates and picks out this group as a target, and is a harmful action, does my mantra of love and peace to all really make a difference? That's would be like Trump saying that he has a lot of Mexican friends, so he's not racist. He just believes as a matter of policy in America first, and non WASPs aren't real Americans.

The Nazis claimed not to hate the mentally feeble. They just felt the need to euthanize them for the purpose of natural selection. Does that make them any less of a threat?

[CountValentine]

Sounds like the course of action they took was reasonable, and that any reasonable person would be expected to do so. Being as announcing a fire is the correct thing to do were one to legitimately believe there's a fire and to have reasonable evidence to back that up, and there's no reason to assume that they're any more likely than the next person to do so in the future, and they don't pose a present danger now that the story is over, I don't see why they would need to be restrained going forward.

There are 500 people in the theater. Some a lot closer to the kitchen. No other person out of the 500 yelled or would have yelled fire. This was reasonable for this person to yell fire? This is Friday. 

[TimT]

Why not have that discussion with Ye and others to show it is not true? How else do you stop it?

You're joking, right ?

[aygart]

Yelling fire in a crowded theatre comes from a dissenting SCOTUS opinion.

[drosenberg88429]

If I were to say that I'm not anti blacks. I'm just anti criminals, and all blacks are criminals. Then I would go around as a vigilante knocking out all blacks I see, that I believe are on the way to perpetuate a crime. Does it really make a difference if I am anti blacks or not, or is it irrelevant semantics?
If A=B and B=C, then A=C, no?

[CountValentine]

You're joking, right ?

No. How do you counter it?
You don't think education is helpful?

[drosenberg88429]

There are 500 people in the theater. Some a lot closer to the kitchen. No other person out of the 500 yelled or would have yelled fire. This was reasonable for this person to yell fire? This is Friday. 

Going forward, does he have more or less of a likelihood to do this than the average person? Is there a way to protect people from his false alarm propensity, or is that increased propensity non-existent over the average person?

[CountValentine]

Only 12 minutes for the next two soccer matches. Please go faster!!! 

[TimT]

No.

So it’s our job to have discussions with the antisemites out there to try to change their minds. Because it’s worked so well with Duke, Farrakhan, & the whole stinking lot of them.

Even if this would work when is the last time anyone has been able to have a sane discussion with him ? Even Jones gave up, & they’re tailor made for each other.

[yuneeq]

"We need to go take back our neighborhood from those damn Jews" I would put in the incitement category.
"Our neighborhoods have been taken over by the Jews" I would put in the could lead to incitement category.

I agree with this categorization. Thought you meant differently.

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1598714500286406657

Thank you Elon

[justaregularguy]

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