2 to 3 week sumer trip to europe

[yahaatim]

trying to plan a 2 to 3 week trip for this summer to europe ending off in london. have no clue where to start.
how many countries to go to? which ones to go to? for how long each?
flying from isreal after tisha bav... any sugestgions? thanks

[yahaatim]

this thread has almost 100 views yet no replies. i believe that i can help many people in the future if any knowledgeable ddf ers would be able to help out as summer is fast approaching and many can benifit from suggestions thanks
9even if there are similar threads and trs a less general one is signifigantlly more effective and efficient

[JMHO]

Hi,

Welcome to DDF.

There are many unknown variables to properly answer your questions.

I'd recommend spending a couple of hours here
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?board=2.0

And then circle back with more specific questions.

We're here to help but you gotta try a little...

[ckmk47]

Don't bite off more than you can chew.  Running from place to place isn't the same as staying long enough to see and enjoy.
Read trip reports of destinations you might like and see what interests you the most. Then come back here with ideas for us to kibitz on.
Ask yourself some questions:
what activity level? relax vs fill every minute or a combination
What types of things do you like to do? activities like biking,etc vs museums.
tours vs exploring on  your own.
Weather: in southern Europe it's warm over the summer - how much should you take that into consideration?

[SuperFlyer]

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[HiMish]

trying to plan a 2 to 3 week trip for this summer to europe ending off in london. have no clue where to start.
how many countries to go to? which ones to go to? for how long each?
flying from isreal after tisha bav... any sugestgions? thanks

Single/ married/ kids? Interests (kvarim/ beaches/ touring)?

[SuperFlyer]

Single/ married/ kids? Interests (kvarim/ beaches/ touring)?

Bochrim.
Mix of all.

[SuperFlyer]

It is my understanding that you want to start somewhere in the south and end up in London.

I played here a bit around, and in the South I added places that are worthwhile, but Google maps is limiting the waypoints, so after Venice its is just the shortest way.

Feel free to comment/add/edit:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/%C4%B0stanbul,+T%C3%BCrkiye/Thesaloniki,+Greece/Skopje,+North+Macedonia/Tirana,+Albania/Dubrovnik,+Croatia/Mostar,+Bosnia+and+Herzegovina/Ljubljana,+Slovenia/Venice,+Metropolitan+City+of+Venice,+Italy/Lake+Como,+Italy/London,+UK/@42.147973,23.3653368,7.82z/data=!4m62!4m61!1m5!1m1!1s0x14caa7040068086b:0xe1ccfe98bc01b0d0!2m2!1d28.9783589!2d41.0082376!1m5!1m1!1s0x14a838f41428e0ed:0x9bae715b8d574a9!2m2!1d22.9444191!2d40.6400629!1m5!1m1!1s0x135415a58c9aa2a5:0xb2ed88c260872020!2m2!1d21.4254355!2d41.9981294!1m5!1m1!1s0x1350310470fac5db:0x40092af10653720!2m2!1d19.8186982!2d41.3275459!1m5!1m1!1s0x134b8ba20835e87d:0x400ad50862bd500!2m2!1d18.0944238!2d42.6506606!1m5!1m1!1s0x134b43a43b6340a9:0x14f32b2d4e37c5a!2m2!1d17.8077578!2d43.3437748!1m5!1m1!1s0x476531f5969886d1:0x400f81c823fec20!2m2!1d14.5057515!2d46.0569465!1m5!1m1!1s0x477eb1daf1d63d89:0x7ba3c6f0bd92102f!2m2!1d12.3155151!2d45.4408474!1m5!1m1!1s0x47843d32820b62f7:0x3e40c4eae898e1e0!2m2!1d9.2571676!2d46.0160486!1m5!1m1!1s0x47d8a00baf21de75:0x52963a5addd52a99!2m2!1d-0.1275862!2d51.5072178!3e0?entry=ttu

[yahaatim]

4-6 single guys we all have a wedding at the end of the summer in england. obviusly willing to put in the work to make it happen i just dont really know where to start. the main goal is prob to mix scenic views with some action thrown in there (a few kvarim would be nice but only if its along the way and happens to work out)
dont plan on booking any tours rather research what to see in that place and work it out from there.
would like to fly to a southern country and make the drive up from there if possible if not trains are fine as well.
im not great with geography so i dont know if this makes sense but if possible would like to spend a few days in various locatins along the way obviusly if the place requires a little more/less time.....
ideally would like to see spain parts of italy , greece and france. apprecite the help

[SuperFlyer]

4-6 single guys we all have a wedding at the end of the summer in england. obviusly willing to put in the work to make it happen i just dont really know where to start. the main goal is prob to mix scenic views with some action thrown in there (a few kvarim would be nice but only if its along the way and happens to work out)
dont plan on booking any tours rather research what to see in that place and work it out from there.
would like to fly to a southern country and make the drive up from there if possible if not trains are fine as well.
im not great with geography so i dont know if this makes sense but if possible would like to spend a few days in various locatins along the way obviusly if the place requires a little more/less time.....
ideally would like to see spain parts of italy , greece and france. apprecite the help

Greece and Italy can connect by boat with a car I believe. Italy and Spain have a big sea in between, and I'm not sure how practical it is to combine those.

[ckmk47]

4-6 single guys we all have a wedding at the end of the summer in england.

Now you're helping us!
On google maps pull up Europe. enlarge western europe.
I suggest:
Italy - Rome, Florence, Venice, : history, art, wow!- a week to 10 days
then Switzerland - beautiful hiking -  half a week
then maybe Paris for half a week - elegance, art
But don't short change London - history ? - you need a few days there too.

[SuperFlyer]

Now you're helping us!
On google maps pull up Europe. enlarge western europe.
I suggest:
Italy - Rome, Florence, Venice, : history, art, wow!- a week to 10 days
then Switzerland - beautiful hiking -  half a week
then maybe Paris for half a week - elegance, art
But don't short change London - history ? - you need a few days there too.

I feel it's a lot of cities.
Maybe add the garda lake, the amalfi coast and such.

[yahaatim]

Now you're helping us!
On google maps pull up Europe. enlarge western europe.
I suggest:
Italy - Rome, Florence, Venice, : history, art, wow!- a week to 10 days
then Switzerland - beautiful hiking -  half a week
then maybe Paris for half a week - elegance, art
But don't short change London - history ? - you need a few days there too.

https://www.skyscanner.com/transport/d/tlv/2023-07-30/ath/zag/2023-08-08/nap/man/2023-08-16/tlv/?adults=1&adultsv2=1&cabinclass=economy&children=0&childrenv2=&infants=0&ref=home
ive heard only amazing things about greece and the islands there so  i want to try and include that if possible.
to fly straight there makes sense i think.
 then to drive to up croatia fly to rome or naples then drive up to london.
this basic flight path was only 534 on sky scanner i didnt really look around yet on flights just wanted to get the basic idea.
(when i say drive its only if car makes sense otherwise will have to take a train around. but the goal is to rent a car)

[SuperFlyer]

https://www.skyscanner.com/transport/d/tlv/2023-07-30/ath/zag/2023-08-08/nap/man/2023-08-16/tlv/?adults=1&adultsv2=1&cabinclass=economy&children=0&childrenv2=&infants=0&ref=home
ive heard only amazing things about greece and the islands there so  i want to try and include that if possible.
to fly straight there makes sense i think.
 then to drive to up croatia fly to rome or naples then drive up to london.
this basic flight path was only 534 on sky scanner i didnt really look around yet on flights just wanted to get the basic idea.
(when i say drive its only if car makes sense otherwise will have to take a train around. but the goal is to rent a car)

How do you drive off an Island?

[ckmk47]

Take the time in each location to do it.  Better to go to fewer places, but get a feel of each one you see.

[yahaatim]

How do you drive off an Island?

will have to take a ferry back to athens then drive from there

[SuperFlyer]

will have to take a ferry back to athens then drive from there

I don't think those islands are so car friendly.

You want to check out specific ones.

[yahaatim]

Take the time in each location to do it.  Better to go to fewer places, but get a feel of each one you see.

so far i split up the trip into 2 8 day parts starting from greece to croatia then rome to england. which are do you think im rushing. should i leave more time for the 2nd leg from rome to have more time for italy switzerland france etc...?

[SuperFlyer]

so far i split up the trip into 2 8 day parts starting from greece to croatia then rome to england. which are do you think im rushing. should i leave more time for the 2nd leg from rome to have more time for italy switzerland france etc...?

You want to look for a ferry from Patras to Bari or Brindisi in the heal of Italy. That is if you are keeping your car.

[yahaatim]

You want to look for a ferry from Patras to Bari or Brindisi in the heal of Italy. That is if you are keeping your car.

it seems as though it will be expensive to "island hop" with a car but rental cars if necesarry are fairly cheap although not all islands require cars and there is somewhat of a public transportation sytem on some of the bigger ones